The Takouba Sword.

[Peter Hudson]

Originally Posted by Bob A

Sadly, the Takouba Research Society link appears dead, or at least inactive/unavailable.

The overall presentation of takouba information was of value, and now seems lost to time.

Hopefully this will happen ...Both this key thread and the others on that page will be reorganised.

Meanwhile an amazing looking sword clearly Takouba form can be seen at https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/y...g&action=click

Peter Hudson

[Edster]

Jim,

I think I have a hard copy of Briggs. I'll try to scan and post it. I assume any JASS copyright would slide on the basis of research use.

Attached here is another article on the origin of Tuareg Blades that may be of value.

Best,
Ed

[Peter Hudson]

Please see https://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/weapons/ind...-31/index.html where it states the parts of the Takouba Sword are named after parts of the human body.

QUOTE"The different features of the takouba are named after parts of the human body. The conical brass button on the pommel is known as the 'bare head'; the narrow grip of the hilt is the 'spine'; the small guard, the 'shoulders' and the flat of the blade, the 'back'. The double cutting edge is known as 'that which devours' (i.e. the mouth), and the tip is refereed to as the 'tongue'.UNQUOTE."

Peter Hudson.

[Peter Hudson]

[Peter Hudson]

One of my questions is related to the sorts of point profile on several Takouba blades which appear to have a chipped off or chisell point ... I note that the Takouba is not a sword for stabbing or jabbing with the point... It is primarily in what appears to be 8 different strokes for slashing with. Having a sharp point would thus seem to be not required...
Is this why points on several blades are squared off...or chiselled?

I note that since it was considered unlucky or simply forbidden to touch iron the hilts were covered in either another metal such as brass or silver or more usually in leather .

As an edit to this post I have to add that since the tip of the Takouba is a word meaning Tongue it follows that there was no requirement for the point to be ...pointy..!! The Takouba is primarily a slashing sword thus the tip is largely not a stabbing tip... Many of the tips are actually rounded... There are as many ending in a sort of Chisell tip and occasionally there are points formed. The fact that its not called a point but is a Tongue seems relevant.



Peter Hudson.




Peter Hudson.

[Jim McDougall]

Ed, thank you so much for this translated Lhote!!!! My copy is still in French, and in the heaps of old notes that must be excavated
Thank you as well for working on the Briggs article......this is probably one of the most important arms articles on these as well as markings.It is long unavailable from JAAS and scholarly use should be OK as far as I know.

Peter, great entry there!!

As noted, it seems Iain has sort of 'left the building' on the takouba quest and gone on to other pursuits, which is to me very sad as he probably added more impetus to this field than can be described. His site was a goldmine of information, and the book he hoped to publish never materialized.
So I guess its up to us here to revive the search to compile data on the takouba and put together a study base.
There is tons of material in these forum pages, so its about itemizing topics and talking points to centralize and somewhat structure the material here.

[Marc M.]

It is indeed a shame that Ian's takouba site has disappeared, a book on these facinating swords would be welcome, perhaps the niche is too small to be published. I just bought my sixth takouba. After receiving the sword I will post it.
Regards
Marc

[Yvain]

Peter,


You can't imagine how happy I am to see this translation of Lhote shared around, since I translated it myself from French to English !


Regarding the takouba.org website, some parts can be accessed through the wayback machine (https://web.archive.org), and maybe someone could reach to Iain through his main website (https://iainnorman.com/). It would be interesting to have that website revived, maybe even managed by the forum admins if Iain doesn't feel like maintaining it himself.


Also, here is in my opinion the most important article available regarding the takouba (p. 121 to 168) : https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bp...4815/f143.item .


Regarding the tip of the takouba, I'm convinced it was purposefully made that way to slash with the tip, I don't thing Tuaregs used to stab a lot with the takouba. I'm working on Tuareg fencing and have started to write an article on the subject, I will share it here if/when it is finished.

[Edster]

Here's a link to some of Iain's Takouba essays. Would be wise to print them out while they are still available.

https://iainnorman.com/category/african-arms

Ed

[Jim McDougall]

Peter, to say WELL DONE! would be an understatement! Your taking on this once well traveled topic, and despite being outside your areas of study, done far more than due diligence in understanding key points for presentation here.

You have also advocated for saving a most important field of study here from oblivion.......I admit to having become complacent as other areas were studied...but my interest is profoundly piqued again!

Clearly there are numbers of us here who over the years were deeply involved in studying these weapons, and it is so good to see them here to,
'get the band back together' !!!

Ed, VERY good point on copying those excellent works by Iain before they are lost. His work deserved to be published so that those with interests in these areas of Saharan weapons would have reference material despite loss of online source.

I do hope we can rebuild these many years of important research into an archival thread here that might provide such reference material.

Thank you Peter! and everybody coming in on this!

Jim