Small knife with a flintlock like hilt

Miyamoto · 21st October 2005, 03:12 PM

Hi!

I've got that little one about a half year ago (toghether with the Laz Bicagi). I've always thought that it has balkan origins (and it probably does), but I never saw that style of copper wire construct on a blakan knife. I?ve so recantly a dagger with that style of copper fitting on ebay. The seller stated that it was mexican. The hilt is of funny shape and decorated in flintlock pistol style. It is unblivably ergonomical weapon. It is almost certainly a combat knife, meant maybe for stabbing or throat cutting. Overall lenght: 23 cm (9 inch) Blade lenght: 11cm (4.3 inch)

Any opinions on thatone?

Tim Simmons · 21st October 2005, 06:45 PM

Hi, it looks like it might be Moroccan/Tunisian/Algerian. The S quillion is very North African and the binding on the handle as is the decoration on the blade. A fancy version of one of these. Tim

Valjhun · 11th September 2006, 02:14 PM

I've casually found that thread and sorry for bringing it up.

Well that is a rare balkan "co-pistol" knife. The hilt was designed such way to go toghether well with the flintlock grip estetically and was worn next to the pistol in the blet "silahlik".

tom hyle · 11th September 2006, 06:11 PM

definitely some kind of European/Eurocolonial/Euroimitative (broad enough analysis? Hee hee). Not of close relation to the kodme (N Berbese dagger knife). There is considerable variation in kodmes and flyssas, but here the decorations are not those seen on kodme (at least some of which are always or almost always radially symetrical), the spine is not swedged (bevelled), there is no forged bolster, the tang is full-length, and the edge is not feathered (hollowed). Interesting to me is the wrapped ferule (a peasanty thing to do, and especially suggestive for being in copper; the guard is, too, yes?). A ferule of this sort, binding scales down so no rivet is needed near the blade junction is a strengthening feature often seen on old European (etc.) heavy butchering (etc.) knives/swords. The next-the-pistol knife seems a likely possibility; any pictures of others, anyone?
Is that a tang-band?

Valjhun · 13th December 2006, 10:14 PM

Thoose knives are definetly a distinct TYPE.

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Well that is a rare balkan "co-pistol" knife. The hilt was designed such way to go toghether well with the flintlock grip estetically and was worn next to the pistol in the blet "silahlik".

A fellow collector sent me the photos of his kubur knife (we call them thatway for obvious reason) and I know at least two other knives of that type from collectors in my area. It is amazing that they are so rare that anybody on this forum knew of their existance....

At least a noob like myself has finnaly made a little contribution on this form

Valjhun · 17th June 2007, 11:31 AM

And yet another one!

Yannis · 17th June 2007, 12:50 PM

Nice find! Do we know how its scabbard look like?

Valjhun · 17th June 2007, 07:16 PM

Sorry, I've never found one with scabbard.

21st October 2005, 03:12 PM	#1
Miyamoto Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 44	Small knife with a flintlock like hilt Hi! I've got that little one about a half year ago (toghether with the Laz Bicagi). I've always thought that it has balkan origins (and it probably does), but I never saw that style of copper wire construct on a blakan knife. I?ve so recantly a dagger with that style of copper fitting on ebay. The seller stated that it was mexican. The hilt is of funny shape and decorated in flintlock pistol style. It is unblivably ergonomical weapon. It is almost certainly a combat knife, meant maybe for stabbing or throat cutting. Overall lenght: 23 cm (9 inch) Blade lenght: 11cm (4.3 inch) Any opinions on thatone? Attached Images

21st October 2005, 06:45 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Hi, it looks like it might be Moroccan/Tunisian/Algerian. The S quillion is very North African and the binding on the handle as is the decoration on the blade. A fancy version of one of these. Tim Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 21st October 2005 at 06:58 PM.

11th September 2006, 02:14 PM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I've casually found that thread and sorry for bringing it up. Well that is a rare balkan "co-pistol" knife. The hilt was designed such way to go toghether well with the flintlock grip estetically and was worn next to the pistol in the blet "silahlik". Last edited by Valjhun; 11th September 2006 at 06:12 PM.

11th September 2006, 06:11 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	definitely some kind of European/Eurocolonial/Euroimitative (broad enough analysis? Hee hee). Not of close relation to the kodme (N Berbese dagger knife). There is considerable variation in kodmes and flyssas, but here the decorations are not those seen on kodme (at least some of which are always or almost always radially symetrical), the spine is not swedged (bevelled), there is no forged bolster, the tang is full-length, and the edge is not feathered (hollowed). Interesting to me is the wrapped ferule (a peasanty thing to do, and especially suggestive for being in copper; the guard is, too, yes?). A ferule of this sort, binding scales down so no rivet is needed near the blade junction is a strengthening feature often seen on old European (etc.) heavy butchering (etc.) knives/swords. The next-the-pistol knife seems a likely possibility; any pictures of others, anyone? Is that a tang-band? Last edited by tom hyle; 11th September 2006 at 06:13 PM. Reason: more

17th June 2007, 11:31 AM	#6
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	And yet another one! Attached Images

17th June 2007, 12:50 PM	#7
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Nice find! Do we know how its scabbard look like?

17th June 2007, 07:16 PM	#8
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Sorry, I've never found one with scabbard.