Cartouche, Gold : Sabre: Shamshir

Jon MB · 9th October 2018, 03:08 PM

Hello All,

I would be very grateful for any comments for indentification purposes....

Blade length is 78 cm, overall 92 cm.

Many thanks in advance,

Jon B

Jon MB · 9th October 2018, 03:18 PM

Some more pics. Notice interesting rivets holding (horn?) grips, and very sturdy cross guard.

corrado26 · 9th October 2018, 03:48 PM

I think these are no rivets but some modern screws that need a special tool to turn them. These in combination with the gothik (German?) letter "G" let me think of the end of the 19th, beginning 20th century.
Regards
corrado26

Jon MB · 9th October 2018, 04:19 PM

Thanks Corrado. Noted on the screws. It might have been unusual to produce a heavy fighting blade in this mamluke style at that late date.

Jon MB · 9th October 2018, 05:06 PM

As this may be a post-Egypt campaign European mamluke, maybe this thread should go to the European weapons section?

Kubur · 9th October 2018, 05:40 PM

I agree post Egypt, French, English or German
but early 19th c. for me

Jon MB · 9th October 2018, 08:53 PM

Thanks Kubur, logical conclusion for me too.

Cartouche/ stamp anyone?

Ian · 9th October 2018, 10:54 PM

Moved to Euro Armoury as suggested.

Jon MB · 10th October 2018, 04:29 PM

Thank you Ian. British India maybe? Local production, European retailer...Just some thoughts.

The breakthrough will be if anyone recognises the stamp. I have yet to clean the blade a little, but, I suspect wootz or similar.

Kmaddock · 12th October 2018, 06:35 PM

Hi
If the blade is European made is it likely to be wootz
The handle does look like rhino horn but better pictures required
Nice interesting sword
Regards
Ken

Jon MB · 12th October 2018, 06:47 PM

Thanks Ken. Been reading up on wootz and crucible steel. All very interesting. And finally grasped difference between Wootz and pattern weld. Well, more or less...

Will investigate further and take some more pics.

9th October 2018, 03:08 PM	#1
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Cartouche, Gold : Sabre: Shamshir Hello All, I would be very grateful for any comments for indentification purposes.... Blade length is 78 cm, overall 92 cm. Many thanks in advance, Jon B Attached Images Last edited by Jon MB; 9th October 2018 at 03:51 PM.

9th October 2018, 03:18 PM	#2
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Some more pics. Notice interesting rivets holding (horn?) grips, and very sturdy cross guard. Attached Images

9th October 2018, 03:48 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	I think these are no rivets but some modern screws that need a special tool to turn them. These in combination with the gothik (German?) letter "G" let me think of the end of the 19th, beginning 20th century. Regards corrado26

9th October 2018, 04:19 PM	#4
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Thanks Corrado. Noted on the screws. It might have been unusual to produce a heavy fighting blade in this mamluke style at that late date.

9th October 2018, 05:06 PM	#5
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	As this may be a post-Egypt campaign European mamluke, maybe this thread should go to the European weapons section?

9th October 2018, 05:40 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I agree post Egypt, French, English or German but early 19th c. for me

9th October 2018, 08:53 PM	#7
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Thanks Kubur, logical conclusion for me too. Cartouche/ stamp anyone?

9th October 2018, 10:54 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Moved to Euro Armoury as suggested.

10th October 2018, 04:29 PM	#9
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Thank you Ian. British India maybe? Local production, European retailer...Just some thoughts. The breakthrough will be if anyone recognises the stamp. I have yet to clean the blade a little, but, I suspect wootz or similar.

12th October 2018, 06:35 PM	#10
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi If the blade is European made is it likely to be wootz The handle does look like rhino horn but better pictures required Nice interesting sword Regards Ken

12th October 2018, 06:47 PM	#11
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Thanks Ken. Been reading up on wootz and crucible steel. All very interesting. And finally grasped difference between Wootz and pattern weld. Well, more or less... Will investigate further and take some more pics.