Philippine knife for identification

Sajen · 23rd March 2014, 12:44 AM

I have won this Philippine knife by ebay. I have never seen a similar knife before and I am unsure if it is a Luzon or Visayan piece. Blade profile tells Luzon but I think that the scabbard had has once a leather at the throat which would suggest that it is a Visayan knife/dagger. What do you think? Or did someone know exactly what is and will be able to give it a name? It is 9 5/8 inch inside scabbard with a blade lenght of 5 3/4 inch.

Sajen · 25th March 2014, 10:01 PM

Over 100 views and no comment or idea?

Battara · 25th March 2014, 11:32 PM

For me this is a tough one. By hilt and scabbard I'm thinking Visayan.

Robert · 26th March 2014, 12:05 AM

Hello Detlef, Sorry for not replying sooner but I was trying to find these photos. As you can see these two are quite similar in appearance though mine has a wooden hilt while yours is made from horn. I've had this piece for a few years now and the only thing that I have been able to find out about it is that it is most likely (like Jose suggested) a Visayan piece. I wish that I could be of more help to you other than just showing another example.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 26th March 2014, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

For me this is a tough one. By hilt and scabbard I'm thinking Visayan.

Thank you very much Jose!

For me it's a tough one as well, this is maybe the reason why nobody before comment!

But I agree with you, special the scabbard, the way how it's built up, let me think Visayan. The scabbard is for me remindful to some scabbards I have seen from talibon.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 26th March 2014, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Hello Detlef, Sorry for not replying sooner but I was trying to find these photos. As you can see these two are quite similar in appearance though mine has a wooden hilt while yours is made from horn. I've had this piece for a few years now and the only thing that I have been able to find out about it is that it is most likely (like Jose suggested) a Visayan piece. I wish that I could be of more help to you other than just showing another example.

Best,
Robert

Hello Robert,

thank you for posting the pictures from your piece and your thoughts!

Yes, your's one is indeed very similar, what's are the measurements? Similar?
And the Visayan attribution seems to be a good one.

Regards,
Detlef

Robert · 26th March 2014, 01:08 AM

Hello Detlef, My knife is slightly larger with an overall length of 14 inches and a blade length of 10-1/2 inches. The blade on my example (like quite a few knives I've seen) looks to have been made from an old rasp.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 26th March 2014, 07:48 PM

Thank you Robert!

Sajen · 2nd April 2014, 10:43 PM

Have received the dagger, nice little dagger with good age. When I will find the time I will take some pictures.

Robert · 3rd April 2014, 12:34 AM

Great news Detlef, I can't wait to see your photos.

Sajen · 4th April 2014, 09:59 PM

Here some pictures just taken with flash light, some together with a gunong to get a imagination of the dimensions of the dagger. By time the blade will receive an etch since I think that the blade is laminated. The scabbard has had once a belt hook and by an unknown reason this place is old carved away. The blade is rounded at one side and flat on the other.

Sajen · 18th April 2014, 07:16 PM

Today I have etched some blades and like assumed shows the dagger blade a fine lamination, difficult to see but I hope you can see it by my pictures.

Battara · 19th April 2014, 10:18 PM

Never would have known that this was laminated.

Sajen · 19th April 2014, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Never would have known that this was laminated.

Hello Jose,

I have assumed it when I have cleaned the blade. It seems that more Visayan blades blades laminated as we may think. Do you still remember this Visayan kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=visayan ?
The blade is in the moment by a friend who work on the blade to get out the bad grinding marks. This blade shows as well a very nice lamination. Will show pictures from this blade when I have it back in my hands.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 21st April 2014, 01:09 PM

By searching through old threads I found this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bagobo
A short sword Michael posted years ago for identification. I am the only one who see an amazing affinity between both handles?
Sorry for using your picture Michael but I want to show the handles side by side for comparison.
Michael, do you have get in the meantime further informations about your bolo? Could it be that both blades have the same origin?

23rd March 2014, 12:44 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Philippine knife for identification I have won this Philippine knife by ebay. I have never seen a similar knife before and I am unsure if it is a Luzon or Visayan piece. Blade profile tells Luzon but I think that the scabbard had has once a leather at the throat which would suggest that it is a Visayan knife/dagger. What do you think? Or did someone know exactly what is and will be able to give it a name? It is 9 5/8 inch inside scabbard with a blade lenght of 5 3/4 inch. Attached Images

26th March 2014, 12:05 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, Sorry for not replying sooner but I was trying to find these photos. As you can see these two are quite similar in appearance though mine has a wooden hilt while yours is made from horn. I've had this piece for a few years now and the only thing that I have been able to find out about it is that it is most likely (like Jose suggested) a Visayan piece. I wish that I could be of more help to you other than just showing another example. Best, Robert Attached Images

4th April 2014, 09:59 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Here some pictures just taken with flash light, some together with a gunong to get a imagination of the dimensions of the dagger. By time the blade will receive an etch since I think that the blade is laminated. The scabbard has had once a belt hook and by an unknown reason this place is old carved away. The blade is rounded at one side and flat on the other. Attached Images

18th April 2014, 07:16 PM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Today I have etched some blades and like assumed shows the dagger blade a fine lamination, difficult to see but I hope you can see it by my pictures. Attached Images

21st April 2014, 01:09 PM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	By searching through old threads I found this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bagobo A short sword Michael posted years ago for identification. I am the only one who see an amazing affinity between both handles? Sorry for using your picture Michael but I want to show the handles side by side for comparison. Michael, do you have get in the meantime further informations about your bolo? Could it be that both blades have the same origin? Attached Images

25th March 2014, 10:01 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Over 100 views and no comment or idea?

25th March 2014, 11:32 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	For me this is a tough one. By hilt and scabbard I'm thinking Visayan.

26th March 2014, 01:08 AM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, My knife is slightly larger with an overall length of 14 inches and a blade length of 10-1/2 inches. The blade on my example (like quite a few knives I've seen) looks to have been made from an old rasp. Best, Robert

26th March 2014, 07:48 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Thank you Robert!

2nd April 2014, 10:43 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,793	Have received the dagger, nice little dagger with good age. When I will find the time I will take some pictures.

3rd April 2014, 12:34 AM	#10
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Great news Detlef, I can't wait to see your photos.

19th April 2014, 10:18 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Never would have known that this was laminated.