Caucassian? Bebut?

erlikhan · 20th November 2005, 11:16 AM

May I pls learn where this is from, and further information?

regards

Rivkin · 20th November 2005, 05:14 PM

Yes, it's definitely caucasian, however it's quaddara and not bebut.
It's from the south. I hope bigger experts will correct me, but in my opinion it is more or less "generic transcaucasian" - seeing the scabbard can help things a little bit, but it can be - northern iranian (azerbajan), georgian or armenian...

ariel · 20th November 2005, 08:43 PM

Simply because the leather is green, I would think the Muslim origin. And, generally, Caucasians proper (not Persians, like the Azeris) preferred double-edge blades.

erlikhan · 20th November 2005, 09:51 PM

Then could be Middle Ajian?

Rivkin · 20th November 2005, 10:31 PM

My first notion was that it's iranian - nowadays independent Azerbajan, or southern azerbajan, or may be shirvan (nowadays Armenia).
There were couple of georgians making such things in Tbilisi (one btw was making fake "assad allahs" in XIX century), but the scabbard does not seem to be georgian at all.

erlikhan · 20th November 2005, 10:57 PM

May I ask; simply what is "assad allah" ?
regards

ariel · 21st November 2005, 12:21 AM

Assadullah of Isfaghan was the most celebrated Persian swordsmaker; he lived in the times of Shah Abbas the Great (1571-1628). Thousands of swords bearing his signture were manufactured up to the 19th century, likely as a tribute to him, to attest to the quality of the blade. His son, Kalb Ali, was another renowned master.

Mark · 21st November 2005, 01:56 AM

Hm. There is that six-pointed star again ....

Battara · 21st November 2005, 06:18 AM

"Hm. There is that six-pointed star again ...."

Again, another Star of Solomon .

20th November 2005, 11:16 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Caucassian? Bebut? May I pls learn where this is from, and further information? regards Attached Images

20th November 2005, 05:14 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Yes, it's definitely caucasian, however it's quaddara and not bebut. It's from the south. I hope bigger experts will correct me, but in my opinion it is more or less "generic transcaucasian" - seeing the scabbard can help things a little bit, but it can be - northern iranian (azerbajan), georgian or armenian...

20th November 2005, 08:43 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Simply because the leather is green, I would think the Muslim origin. And, generally, Caucasians proper (not Persians, like the Azeris) preferred double-edge blades.

20th November 2005, 09:51 PM	#4
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Then could be Middle Ajian?

20th November 2005, 10:31 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	My first notion was that it's iranian - nowadays independent Azerbajan, or southern azerbajan, or may be shirvan (nowadays Armenia). There were couple of georgians making such things in Tbilisi (one btw was making fake "assad allahs" in XIX century), but the scabbard does not seem to be georgian at all.

20th November 2005, 10:57 PM	#6
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	May I ask; simply what is "assad allah" ? regards

21st November 2005, 12:21 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Assadullah of Isfaghan was the most celebrated Persian swordsmaker; he lived in the times of Shah Abbas the Great (1571-1628). Thousands of swords bearing his signture were manufactured up to the 19th century, likely as a tribute to him, to attest to the quality of the blade. His son, Kalb Ali, was another renowned master.

21st November 2005, 01:56 AM	#8
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Hm. There is that six-pointed star again ....

21st November 2005, 06:18 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	"Hm. There is that six-pointed star again ...." Again, another Star of Solomon .