What and when?

gilbo · 12th June 2008, 02:57 PM

Hi,

Im Gilbo...I found this during a house cleanup and was thinking you guys might let me know its worth and year/what kind...etc..Im kind of in a bind with no knowledge of swords much at all....I do believe its a Turkish "Kilij"? Thats what I have learned so far. Anybody?..Thanks guys!!

Jim McDougall · 12th June 2008, 09:00 PM

kilij
amazing....lots of swords found in old houses.

gilbo · 12th June 2008, 10:31 PM

Is it me? Do I need to pay to find out what I have here? Is it special? Is it worth anything? Anybody want this thing? Im just gonna throw it into my metal recycle bin.

TVV · 13th June 2008, 12:00 AM

Gilbo,
I really prefer not to comment on an item just before it is put for sale, and I am sure this is what is preventing others from making comments as well.

Teodor

Rick · 13th June 2008, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilbo

Is it me? Do I need to pay to find out what I have here? Is it special? Is it worth anything? Anybody want this thing? Im just gonna throw it into my metal recycle bin.

Domi...err Gilbo, we don't give appraisals here; you should know that .

You were much more polite elsewhere :

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=89872

Sure looks like a Kilij though minus a few parts
Maybe the dumpster but contact me first, eh ?

katana · 13th June 2008, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Domi...err Gilbo, we don't give appraisals here; you should know that .

You were much more polite elsewhere :

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=89872

Sure looks like a Kilij though minus a few parts
Maybe the dumpster but contact me first, eh ?

Jeff D · 13th June 2008, 05:41 AM

Hi Dominic,

Not sure what your story here is about, but do you have any measurements?

Nice find!
Jeff

gilbo · 13th June 2008, 06:16 PM

Fuel costs and our economy has taken a drastic dive here in Northern California. Im just trying to save my ornamental ironworks business. Not for me but for the guys who work for me the most. I believe that nothing is free. Anyone do appraisals? How much? Im just a dude looking for information. Im not a collector and am desperate. if anyone wants to own this? send me an offer to cgsent@hotmail.com or if you can steer me in the right direction because you have compasion for what im trying to do here.........That would be great. Thank you Carl Gilbert. One more thing. My town of Paradise California is on fire. Its getting thick ill tell you.

katana · 13th June 2008, 08:30 PM

Hi Carl,
I'm comfused, the exact same sword is on the sword forum, posted by Dominic Grant, whom states that his location is Manningtree, in the UK.

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=89872

Several days later the exact same sword is posted here and is now residing in North California ....if I were Spiderman, my 'spidey senses' would be 'tingling'

Could you explain the confusion?

Regards David

ariel · 13th June 2008, 09:37 PM

Well, well, well...
Sharp eye and good memory, David

The bed was not slept in since the first pic...

Andrew, are you here? Brings memories?

Mark · 13th June 2008, 10:33 PM

Locking down the thread until this gets sorted out.

David · 13th June 2008, 10:39 PM

I think we might be doing the "Gilbo" a injustice here. He is not Dominic as some suspect, his IP address is indeed from California, but there is certainly a mystery here as to why Dominic posted the same sword on Sword Forum.Carl, do you know Dominic?
As far as i can tell Carl you are more into heavy metal than ornamental iron, but then after listening to your music it is probably good that you have a day job.

Do yourself a favor. If you want to sell this read the rules first. You need to post it in our swap forum. We don't sell ot trade in this part of the forum. Sell it to the highest bidder if you will. You will not get an appraisal here i am afraid. But yes, it is worth "something" and if you take offers you will probably get a fair price for it.

Sorry to hear that your town's on fire.

Rick · 14th June 2008, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I think we might be doing the "Gilbo" a injustice here. He is not Dominic as some suspect, his IP address is indeed from California, but there is certainly a mystery here as to why Dominic posted the same sword on Sword Forum.Carl, do you know Dominic?
As far as i can tell Carl you are more into heavy metal than ornamental iron, but then after listening to your music it is probably good that you have a day job.

Do yourself a favor. If you want to sell this read the rules first. You need to post it in our swap forum. We don't sell ot trade in this part of the forum. Sell it to the highest bidder if you will. You will not get an appraisal here i am afraid. But yes, it is worth "something" and if you take offers you will probably get a fair price for it.

Sorry to hear that your town's on fire.

I apologize for any confusion; but such serendipity !
Perhaps Dominic was offered this piece by our Californian friend .

I look forward to this being resolved .

Rick

Mark · 16th June 2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I apologize for any confusion; but such serendipity !
Perhaps Dominic was offered this piece by our Californian friend .

I look forward to this being resolved .

Rick

That is precisely the case.

You guys have sharp eyes, but do remember that there is often a perfectly reasonable explanation for odd circumstances.

Returning you now to your regularly-scheduled discussion.

Jeff D · 16th June 2008, 04:54 PM

Hi Carl,

Any way to get a better picture of this cartouche?

Dom · 16th June 2008, 06:20 PM

translation of the cartouche mention

LA GHALEB ELLA ALLAH

only God is Winner

à +

Dom

gilbo · 16th June 2008, 06:51 PM

Here is a better shot of that for you. Whats it say? One of you guys wanted a better pic of the tip. Here you go.....I swear that looks like blood rust....Dont it?
Thanks for looking. I think im going to turn into a collector....Really interesting...

Rick · 16th June 2008, 08:54 PM

Now it would be nice to know whether the blade is wootz, pattern welded or plain steel .

gilbo · 16th June 2008, 10:21 PM

It still has one heck of an edge. Do I sand it? Dip it in acid? to find out if its what you say "wootz"? Ill do it right now!!!! (joke) Im not going to touch this thing. Leave it up to the pro's.....

Mark · 17th June 2008, 07:58 PM

The way to bring out the pattern in steel is to polish (NOT burnish!), then lightly etch the blade. I have only done an etch twice, with only so-so results, so others I am sure can give you better advice than I, including solutions, times, etch.

The polish should be done by a pro, though. It is a somewhat misleading term, because what actually is done is gradual and even removal of the surface with a series of stones of increasing fineness (wet/dry sandpaper can also be used). The trick is to open the grain of the steel and get an even surface. Buffing or burnishing with a polishing wheel (as a jeweler or silversmith would do, for example) has just the opposite effect - the surface material gets rubbed around (like icing a cake) and fills in the grain. I'll PM you with the contact info of an excellent polisher & restorer, in case you want to do something with the blade.

gilbo · 19th June 2008, 09:12 AM

Mark,

Thanks for the tips!!!

Carl

12th June 2008, 02:57 PM	#1
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	What and when? Hi, Im Gilbo...I found this during a house cleanup and was thinking you guys might let me know its worth and year/what kind...etc..Im kind of in a bind with no knowledge of swords much at all....I do believe its a Turkish "Kilij"? Thats what I have learned so far. Anybody?..Thanks guys!! Attached Images

12th June 2008, 10:31 PM	#3
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	Hey Jim!!! Is it me? Do I need to pay to find out what I have here? Is it special? Is it worth anything? Anybody want this thing? Im just gonna throw it into my metal recycle bin.

13th June 2008, 06:16 PM	#8
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	Im just some dude trying to save my business. Fuel costs and our economy has taken a drastic dive here in Northern California. Im just trying to save my ornamental ironworks business. Not for me but for the guys who work for me the most. I believe that nothing is free. Anyone do appraisals? How much? Im just a dude looking for information. Im not a collector and am desperate. if anyone wants to own this? send me an offer to cgsent@hotmail.com or if you can steer me in the right direction because you have compasion for what im trying to do here.........That would be great. Thank you Carl Gilbert. One more thing. My town of Paradise California is on fire. Its getting thick ill tell you.

16th June 2008, 04:54 PM	#15
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Carl, Any way to get a better picture of this cartouche? Attached Images

16th June 2008, 06:20 PM	#16
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	translation of the cartouche mention LA GHALEB ELLA ALLAH only God is Winner à + Dom Attached Images

12th June 2008, 09:00 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,947	kilij amazing....lots of swords found in old houses.

13th June 2008, 12:00 AM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	Gilbo, I really prefer not to comment on an item just before it is put for sale, and I am sure this is what is preventing others from making comments as well. Teodor

13th June 2008, 05:41 AM	#7
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Dominic, Not sure what your story here is about, but do you have any measurements? Nice find! Jeff

13th June 2008, 08:30 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Carl, I'm comfused, the exact same sword is on the sword forum, posted by Dominic Grant, whom states that his location is Manningtree, in the UK. http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=89872 Several days later the exact same sword is posted here and is now residing in North California ....if I were Spiderman, my 'spidey senses' would be 'tingling' Could you explain the confusion? Regards David

13th June 2008, 09:37 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, well, well... Sharp eye and good memory, David The bed was not slept in since the first pic... Andrew, are you here? Brings memories?

13th June 2008, 10:33 PM	#11
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Locking down the thread until this gets sorted out.

13th June 2008, 10:39 PM	#12
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	I think we might be doing the "Gilbo" a injustice here. He is not Dominic as some suspect, his IP address is indeed from California, but there is certainly a mystery here as to why Dominic posted the same sword on Sword Forum.Carl, do you know Dominic? As far as i can tell Carl you are more into heavy metal than ornamental iron, but then after listening to your music it is probably good that you have a day job. Do yourself a favor. If you want to sell this read the rules first. You need to post it in our swap forum. We don't sell ot trade in this part of the forum. Sell it to the highest bidder if you will. You will not get an appraisal here i am afraid. But yes, it is worth "something" and if you take offers you will probably get a fair price for it. Sorry to hear that your town's on fire.

16th June 2008, 06:51 PM	#17
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	Few more pics Here is a better shot of that for you. Whats it say? One of you guys wanted a better pic of the tip. Here you go.....I swear that looks like blood rust....Dont it? Thanks for looking. I think im going to turn into a collector....Really interesting... Attached Images

16th June 2008, 08:54 PM	#18
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Now it would be nice to know whether the blade is wootz, pattern welded or plain steel .

16th June 2008, 10:21 PM	#19
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	Acid? It still has one heck of an edge. Do I sand it? Dip it in acid? to find out if its what you say "wootz"? Ill do it right now!!!! (joke) Im not going to touch this thing. Leave it up to the pro's.....

17th June 2008, 07:58 PM	#20
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	The way to bring out the pattern in steel is to polish (NOT burnish!), then lightly etch the blade. I have only done an etch twice, with only so-so results, so others I am sure can give you better advice than I, including solutions, times, etch. The polish should be done by a pro, though. It is a somewhat misleading term, because what actually is done is gradual and even removal of the surface with a series of stones of increasing fineness (wet/dry sandpaper can also be used). The trick is to open the grain of the steel and get an even surface. Buffing or burnishing with a polishing wheel (as a jeweler or silversmith would do, for example) has just the opposite effect - the surface material gets rubbed around (like icing a cake) and fills in the grain. I'll PM you with the contact info of an excellent polisher & restorer, in case you want to do something with the blade.

19th June 2008, 09:12 AM	#21
gilbo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	Tips.... Mark, Thanks for the tips!!! Carl