Mystery tribal item

RSWORD · 4th May 2016, 01:48 PM

This is an interesting item that I don't know exactly where it originated or its purpose. I think it is tribal given the decorations. The ferrule has a familiar shape to me. It is made of lead. The wood is dense and hard and the iron spade or chisel is probably European or American trade iron. Looking forward to thoughts on this unusual item.

colin henshaw · 5th May 2016, 04:24 PM

The iron blade looks like its from a West African axe, removed and fitted with a different wooden handle to make a tool, perhaps a gouge in woodworking, or similar ?

RSWORD · 7th May 2016, 05:41 PM

Colin,

Thanks for the thoughts. I can see how the spade like tip reminds one of West African axes. I think one key difference which isn't really illustrated here is that the iron shaft is thick and four sided. I don't recall that feature on African axes. I think it was made as a tool and traded and mounted up to the local taste. Does the decoration on the handle look West African? I think the decoration on the blade can be found just about anywhere in the world.

colin henshaw · 8th May 2016, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RSWORD

Colin,

Thanks for the thoughts. I can see how the spade like tip reminds one of West African axes. I think one key difference which isn't really illustrated here is that the iron shaft is thick and four sided. I don't recall that feature on African axes. I think it was made as a tool and traded and mounted up to the local taste. Does the decoration on the handle look West African? I think the decoration on the blade can be found just about anywhere in the world.

Hi RSWORD

To try to address your points :-

a) Most African axe shafts are roundish in section, but I have seen some rectangular, I think.
b) The incised decoration to the iron shaft on your piece is typically African.
c) The decoration to the wooden handle is unusual, I havn't seen that fan-shaped design before on African work.
d) The lead inlay to the wood is sometimes used on West African work. Here are a couple of images from old forum threads.

Not conclusive I suppose, but thats my best guess.

colin henshaw · 9th May 2016, 09:20 AM

A different possibility has occurred to me ... could it be connected with betel preparation, and the plant-like decoration to the handle meant to represent the areca palm ??

RSWORD · 13th May 2016, 03:17 AM

I think both African and Indonesian are possibilities based on some of the reasons you have stated. I also think it could be Native American with the plants representing tobacco leaves and perhaps below that some form of headdress. Man, if these things could talk.

Athanase · 30th December 2016, 04:56 PM

I've found the solution on Eb**

This object comes from the island of Flores.
Here are two links to similar objects (the sale is over for several weeks).

SCARCE CEREMONIAL MACHETE STAFF FROM FLORES ISLAND

SCARCE CEREMONIAL MACHETE STAFF FROM FLORES ISLAND

milandro · 17th February 2023, 12:42 PM

I am not suggesting that this is one but has the same shape of a Magic broom from the collection of the Tropen Museum in the NL

kai · 17th February 2023, 04:43 PM

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I am not suggesting that this is one but has the same shape of a Magic broom from the collection of the Tropen Museum in the NL

No provenance, André? Looks like coming from Papua/New Guinea.

No details in the museum records?

Regards,
Kai

milandro · 17th February 2023, 04:49 PM

Hello Kai,

all I could find was this picture

it is object number H-2966 and it is described a a Winti priests magic broom.

there are pictures from another angle

Apparently there are lots ob objects identified as magic brooms used by winti priests .

This shape struck me as very similar to the object above.

kai · 17th February 2023, 04:49 PM

Hello Séverin,

Quote:

I've found the solution on Eb**

This object comes from the island of Flores.
Here are two links to similar objects (the sale is over for several weeks).

Good call, the metal inlay at the base of the hilt would fit nicely with Flores! (Other possibilities of similar work would be Enggano or even Nias.)

I completely missed this thread back then: Did you keep pics from those auctions? It would be great to have them uploaded here for posterity!

Regards,
Kai

milandro · 17th February 2023, 04:56 PM

no I found another similar broom object in this Dutch book

https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/lege004ba...01_01_0010.php

these objects weren't offered on any sale they are museum pieces. the OP here may have more on that particular object but it has been a long time from the publication here for the first time.

kai · 17th February 2023, 05:03 PM

Sorry, we crossed posts!

I was referring to the earlier post #7 by Séverin...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 18th February 2023, 09:23 AM

The ferrule reminds me to enggano sword ferrules.

kai · 19th February 2023, 02:30 PM

Hello Detlef,

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The ferrule reminds me to enggano sword ferrules.

Yes, as mentioned above, there are a few places where such tin inlay work is found.

It seems just as common on Flores and Séverin apparently found 2 close matches also attributed to Flores. I'd be really interested to see pics of those finds! Unfortunately, I did not saw this thread back then...

Regards,
Kai

4th May 2016, 01:48 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	Mystery tribal item This is an interesting item that I don't know exactly where it originated or its purpose. I think it is tribal given the decorations. The ferrule has a familiar shape to me. It is made of lead. The wood is dense and hard and the iron spade or chisel is probably European or American trade iron. Looking forward to thoughts on this unusual item. Attached Images

17th February 2023, 12:42 PM	#8
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 477	I am not suggesting that this is one but has the same shape of a Magic broom from the collection of the Tropen Museum in the NL Attached Images

17th February 2023, 04:49 PM	#10
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 477	Hello Kai, all I could find was this picture it is object number H-2966 and it is described a a Winti priests magic broom. there are pictures from another angle Apparently there are lots ob objects identified as magic brooms used by winti priests . This shape struck me as very similar to the object above. Attached Images

17th February 2023, 04:56 PM	#12
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 477	no I found another similar broom object in this Dutch book https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/lege004ba...01_01_0010.php these objects weren't offered on any sale they are museum pieces. the OP here may have more on that particular object but it has been a long time from the publication here for the first time. Attached Images

18th February 2023, 09:23 AM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,788	The ferrule reminds me to enggano sword ferrules. Attached Images

5th May 2016, 04:24 PM	#2
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	The iron blade looks like its from a West African axe, removed and fitted with a different wooden handle to make a tool, perhaps a gouge in woodworking, or similar ?

7th May 2016, 05:41 PM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	Colin, Thanks for the thoughts. I can see how the spade like tip reminds one of West African axes. I think one key difference which isn't really illustrated here is that the iron shaft is thick and four sided. I don't recall that feature on African axes. I think it was made as a tool and traded and mounted up to the local taste. Does the decoration on the handle look West African? I think the decoration on the blade can be found just about anywhere in the world.

9th May 2016, 09:20 AM	#5
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	A different possibility has occurred to me ... could it be connected with betel preparation, and the plant-like decoration to the handle meant to represent the areca palm ??

13th May 2016, 03:17 AM	#6
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	I think both African and Indonesian are possibilities based on some of the reasons you have stated. I also think it could be Native American with the plants representing tobacco leaves and perhaps below that some form of headdress. Man, if these things could talk.

30th December 2016, 04:56 PM	#7
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	I've found the solution on Eb** This object comes from the island of Flores. Here are two links to similar objects (the sale is over for several weeks). SCARCE CEREMONIAL MACHETE STAFF FROM FLORES ISLAND SCARCE CEREMONIAL MACHETE STAFF FROM FLORES ISLAND

17th February 2023, 05:03 PM	#13
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Sorry, we crossed posts! I was referring to the earlier post #7 by Séverin... Regards, Kai