My small collection and a question.

fjfredericks · 16th May 2006, 05:18 AM

Hi All,

I have been lurking the forum for the past year and joined recently. This is my first post. I wanted to show my small but growing collection. I started by collecting samurai items and have also grown into moro weapons. I also have a few japanese matchlocks. Is the last blade in this thread a latok? I used the search feature of the forum but do not recognize my sword as any of the swords pitcured. Thanks for any help.

Regards,
fjf

ariel · 16th May 2006, 06:16 AM

The one in the last pic on top is, I think, Parang Amanremu (with a strange handle, would love to see details).
The last one.... Looks like strange Panabas without a handle. What is the thing at the base of the blade, at the bottom ?
And do not be too modest: it looks like a fine collection to me!
Welcome to the club!

VANDOO · 16th May 2006, 07:20 AM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM

IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE COLLECTION AND NOT REALLY THAT SMALL, NICELY DISPLAYED AS WELL. THE LAST SWORD IS A STRANGE ONE AND THE SCABBARD DOES INDEED LOOK BLADE LIKE

I HAD ONE WITH A SIMULAR TIP BUT A STRAIGHT BLADE CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED NOW BUT IT WAS IN THE OLD FORUM ARCHIVES ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER STYLES FROM THE SAME MAKER AND TIME. ALL WERE POSTED SEPARATELY UNDER "VANDOO'S MORO SWORDS" I THINK.

A CLOSE UP OF THE HANDLE AND THE CARVING ON THE SCABBARD WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE CARVING DESIGN ON THE SCABBARD KIND OF LOOKS DAYAK BUT THAT DOSEN'T MEAN BORNEO WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD BE FROM. GOOD LUCK

VVV · 16th May 2006, 09:56 AM

Welcome to the forum,

The last weapon is a Ladieng. A Sumatran Klewang used in Aceh (with another hilt) and also the neighbouring Batak tribes. The hilt looks like a Batak ancestor figure and the open(?) scabbard also looks like Batak work.

Michael

ariel · 16th May 2006, 04:37 PM

Ooops...
I thought the last one was a blade! My computer gave it a metallic look. My fault.

katana · 16th May 2006, 05:10 PM

If its any consolation Ariel, I too had the impression that it was metallic.

Hi fjfredericks, very nice collection, indeed.

Rick · 16th May 2006, 06:22 PM

I would love to see those Pira out of their scabbards .

fjfredericks · 17th May 2006, 03:42 AM

Thanks everybody for your kind words, help and welcome

. I will do some further reseach on the web for the sugesstions that have been given to me. It has been a real pleasure to read and learn from all the forumites over the past year.

I will try to post some closeups of the sword and scabbard, I will do the same for the pira. I'm still here at work

on the west coast and looking to getting home and taking some photos.

Best Regards,
FJF otherwise known as Axe Dog

!

fjfredericks · 17th May 2006, 07:30 AM

Hi everybody!

I have some closeups of the last blade. Do the carvings on the handle and scabbard help narrow down area or type of Blade? Is there any signifcance of the carvings and the interaction of the carvings of blade in the scabbard?

Thanks for all your help!

Axe Dog

Battara · 18th May 2006, 01:59 AM

fjfedericks, nice Indonesian piece. How about the piras next to the mask? Do you do kali, escrima, or some other Filipino martial art? I noticed the appropriate triangle upon which several Moro/PI pieces rest.

fjfredericks · 18th May 2006, 02:17 AM

Hi Battara,

I am indeed an escrimador. I have enjoyed it and other martial arts for many years. I study escrima and JKD under Guru Richard Bustillo. I am grateful for this forum and have learned much from coming here.

Best Regards!
Axe Dog

VVV · 18th May 2006, 03:47 PM

Hi FJ,

If you wish to narrow down the area it's probably made close to Lake Toba in NW Sumatra.
Medan is the nearest big city on a map.

Michael

moose · 19th May 2006, 04:59 AM

Don't mean to hijack the thread but I haven't posted in a year. Found this thread while searching some posts.

I also study JKD and Doce Pares escrima. My school's linage is through Richard, he came out last year.
I'm really pumped because Cacoy Canete is flying in tommorrow night for a semi private seminar Saturday.

Very exciting for me. I've been waiting for two years for this to come together. So I've pulled out the PI stuff and wiped them down..did some vinegar etching etc. Hopped on the forum and reread some old posts...just to see if any questions to ask him would come to mind.

Plan on showing him some of my collection, asking some questions etc. I've heard his Espada y Daga is some of the best.

Again, I apologize for straying off topic,

moose (very excited in Mich.)

fjfredericks · 19th May 2006, 07:57 AM

Michael,
Thanks for the guidance. Lake Tobo seems to be a very interesting place.

Moose,
Have a great time. Cacoy is coming out here in June for the annual instructors conference at the IMB Academy

.

Thanks,

moose · 19th May 2006, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjfredericks

Moose,
Have a great time. Cacoy is coming out here in June for the annual instructors conference at the IMB Academy

.

Thanks,

Fj,

Yes, you might see my sifu out there (Eric Smith) if he can swing it.
I didn't mention it but Prof. Walt Hartenburg (sp?) is coming up from Indiana also this weekend to see Cacoy. If we had Richard too it would be a "Trifecta" for my style.
That would be awesome. The big three all in the house at once.

thanks,
moose

VANDOO · 19th May 2006, 03:52 PM

VVV WAS RIGHT ON ON THE SWORD THE CARVING ON HANDLE AND SCABBARD IS DEFINITELY BATACK. THEY WERE GREAT TRADERS AND THEIR OUTPOSTS AND INFLUENCE IS ALL OVER A WIDE AREA IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD. I HAVE NO KNOWLEGE OF WHERE THIS TYPE OF ITEM IS BEING MADE BUT AS VVV SAID SUMATRA IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY. I HAVE SEEN THIS TYPE OF WORK FOR SALE IN BALI WHICH IS A GOOD MARKET AND DRAWS FROM THE REST OF INDONESIA. I HAVE NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF VISITING SUMATRA BUT HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO.

MOOSE GOOD TO HEAR FROM YA, ITS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE SOMEONE INTERESTED AND EXCITED ABOUT LEARNING REGARDLESS IF ITS COLLECTING OR MARTIAL ARTS.

MABAGANI · 19th May 2006, 04:20 PM

Axe Dog
Welcome, nice collection, can we get closeups of the Moro spearheads?
btw is that a dog brother connection to your handle?

fjfredericks · 20th May 2006, 11:37 PM

Hi MABAGANI,

Here are some closeups of the spears. I believe that spears 1-3 are moro. I do not know what spear #4 is, but I like it anyway. i will also try to take some better pictures showing grain structure if I can.

My handle is from an apache knife fighting group called ghostdogs. I have heard of the dog brothers and was at their fall gathering. I live in the Los Angeles (southbay) area close to where they are.

Best Regards

16th May 2006, 05:18 AM	#1
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	My small collection and a question. Hi All, I have been lurking the forum for the past year and joined recently. This is my first post. I wanted to show my small but growing collection. I started by collecting samurai items and have also grown into moro weapons. I also have a few japanese matchlocks. Is the last blade in this thread a latok? I used the search feature of the forum but do not recognize my sword as any of the swords pitcured. Thanks for any help. Regards, fjf Attached Images

17th May 2006, 07:30 AM	#9
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	Closeups Hi everybody! I have some closeups of the last blade. Do the carvings on the handle and scabbard help narrow down area or type of Blade? Is there any signifcance of the carvings and the interaction of the carvings of blade in the scabbard? Thanks for all your help! Axe Dog Attached Images

19th May 2006, 04:59 AM	#13
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Escrima Don't mean to hijack the thread but I haven't posted in a year. Found this thread while searching some posts. I also study JKD and Doce Pares escrima. My school's linage is through Richard, he came out last year. I'm really pumped because Cacoy Canete is flying in tommorrow night for a semi private seminar Saturday. Very exciting for me. I've been waiting for two years for this to come together. So I've pulled out the PI stuff and wiped them down..did some vinegar etching etc. Hopped on the forum and reread some old posts...just to see if any questions to ask him would come to mind. Plan on showing him some of my collection, asking some questions etc. I've heard his Espada y Daga is some of the best. Again, I apologize for straying off topic, moose (very excited in Mich.)

20th May 2006, 11:37 PM	#18
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	Closeups Hi MABAGANI, Here are some closeups of the spears. I believe that spears 1-3 are moro. I do not know what spear #4 is, but I like it anyway. i will also try to take some better pictures showing grain structure if I can. My handle is from an apache knife fighting group called ghostdogs. I have heard of the dog brothers and was at their fall gathering. I live in the Los Angeles (southbay) area close to where they are. Best Regards Attached Images

16th May 2006, 06:16 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The one in the last pic on top is, I think, Parang Amanremu (with a strange handle, would love to see details). The last one.... Looks like strange Panabas without a handle. What is the thing at the base of the blade, at the bottom ? And do not be too modest: it looks like a fine collection to me! Welcome to the club!

16th May 2006, 07:20 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUM IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE COLLECTION AND NOT REALLY THAT SMALL, NICELY DISPLAYED AS WELL. THE LAST SWORD IS A STRANGE ONE AND THE SCABBARD DOES INDEED LOOK BLADE LIKE I HAD ONE WITH A SIMULAR TIP BUT A STRAIGHT BLADE CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED NOW BUT IT WAS IN THE OLD FORUM ARCHIVES ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER STYLES FROM THE SAME MAKER AND TIME. ALL WERE POSTED SEPARATELY UNDER "VANDOO'S MORO SWORDS" I THINK. A CLOSE UP OF THE HANDLE AND THE CARVING ON THE SCABBARD WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE CARVING DESIGN ON THE SCABBARD KIND OF LOOKS DAYAK BUT THAT DOSEN'T MEAN BORNEO WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD BE FROM. GOOD LUCK

16th May 2006, 09:56 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Welcome to the forum, The last weapon is a Ladieng. A Sumatran Klewang used in Aceh (with another hilt) and also the neighbouring Batak tribes. The hilt looks like a Batak ancestor figure and the open(?) scabbard also looks like Batak work. Michael

16th May 2006, 04:37 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ooops... I thought the last one was a blade! My computer gave it a metallic look. My fault.

16th May 2006, 05:10 PM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	If its any consolation Ariel, I too had the impression that it was metallic. Hi fjfredericks, very nice collection, indeed.

16th May 2006, 06:22 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I would love to see those Pira out of their scabbards .

17th May 2006, 03:42 AM	#8
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	Thanks everybody for your kind words, help and welcome . I will do some further reseach on the web for the sugesstions that have been given to me. It has been a real pleasure to read and learn from all the forumites over the past year. I will try to post some closeups of the sword and scabbard, I will do the same for the pira. I'm still here at work on the west coast and looking to getting home and taking some photos. Best Regards, FJF otherwise known as Axe Dog !

18th May 2006, 01:59 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	fjfedericks, nice Indonesian piece. How about the piras next to the mask? Do you do kali, escrima, or some other Filipino martial art? I noticed the appropriate triangle upon which several Moro/PI pieces rest.

18th May 2006, 02:17 AM	#11
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	Hi Battara, I am indeed an escrimador. I have enjoyed it and other martial arts for many years. I study escrima and JKD under Guru Richard Bustillo. I am grateful for this forum and have learned much from coming here. Best Regards! Axe Dog

18th May 2006, 03:47 PM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi FJ, If you wish to narrow down the area it's probably made close to Lake Toba in NW Sumatra. Medan is the nearest big city on a map. Michael

19th May 2006, 07:57 AM	#14
fjfredericks Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 7	Michael, Thanks for the guidance. Lake Tobo seems to be a very interesting place. Moose, Have a great time. Cacoy is coming out here in June for the annual instructors conference at the IMB Academy . Thanks,

19th May 2006, 03:52 PM	#16
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	VVV WAS RIGHT ON ON THE SWORD THE CARVING ON HANDLE AND SCABBARD IS DEFINITELY BATACK. THEY WERE GREAT TRADERS AND THEIR OUTPOSTS AND INFLUENCE IS ALL OVER A WIDE AREA IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD. I HAVE NO KNOWLEGE OF WHERE THIS TYPE OF ITEM IS BEING MADE BUT AS VVV SAID SUMATRA IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY. I HAVE SEEN THIS TYPE OF WORK FOR SALE IN BALI WHICH IS A GOOD MARKET AND DRAWS FROM THE REST OF INDONESIA. I HAVE NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF VISITING SUMATRA BUT HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO. MOOSE GOOD TO HEAR FROM YA, ITS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE SOMEONE INTERESTED AND EXCITED ABOUT LEARNING REGARDLESS IF ITS COLLECTING OR MARTIAL ARTS.

19th May 2006, 04:20 PM	#17
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Axe Dog Welcome, nice collection, can we get closeups of the Moro spearheads? btw is that a dog brother connection to your handle?