PAKAYUN

Dajak · 18th January 2017, 08:39 PM

Here an PAKAYUN that was offered for sale in in April 1905 by the welknown

Ethnographical dealer W. O. Oldman.

Very rare old type of the Pakayun.

Dajak.

Dajak · 18th January 2017, 08:41 PM

See The Oldman Cataloque.

Dajak.

VANDOO · 18th January 2017, 09:13 PM

A VERY BEAUTIFUL OLD EXAMPLE FROM A FAMOUS OLD COLLECTOR/ DEALER. IT SHOWS VERY WELL THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE MASTER CARVERS OF THE TIME. NO DOUBT THE BLADE WAS STATE OF THE ART AS WELL. A COMPLETE EXAMPLE IS RARE AS MOST SEEM TO HAVE LOST THE SCABBARDS ALONG THE WAY. THANKS FOR POSTING A PICTURE OF THIS TREASURE. IS IT YOURS ON ON YOUR WISH LIST

Dajak · 18th January 2017, 09:27 PM

Hi Vandoo it is mine I did had many weapons that where pictured in the Oldman cataloque .....

The handle is rare normally they have other type like the above one in the pic.

Dajak

VANDOO · 18th January 2017, 10:40 PM

I HAVE NOT SEEN MANY OF THESE AND MOST HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH LIKE THE FIRST ONE ON TOP OF THE 3 PICTURED TOGETHER. IT APPEARS TO HAVE THE SMALL SIDE KNIFE LIKE THE DAYAK MANDAU IS THAT COMMON AND JUST MISSING ON MOST EXAMPLES.? NOT ONLY IS THERE VARIATION ON THE CARVED WOOD HANDLES THERE IS DIFFERENCES IN THE BRASS WORK IN GUARD SHAPE AND DESIGNS ENGRAVED OR CAST INTO THEM. OTHER METALS MAY ALSO HAVE BEEN USED PERHAPS SILVER OR GERMAN SILVER.? IS THERE VARIATIONS IN BLADE TIPS AS FOUND ON MANDAU THE ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE MUCH THE SAME ON PAKAYUN. SOME HANDLES HAVE WOVEN FIBER AND SOME DO NOT, PERHAPS IT BECOMES BRITTLE AND IS LOST OVER TIME. DO YOU KNOW IF THESE VARIATIONS ARE RELATED TO DIFFERENT REGIONS AND TRIBES OR DEPENDING AND THE PRESTIGE AND POWER OF THE OWNERS. I SUPPOSE DIFFERENT FASHIONS AND DESIGNS HAD INFLUENCE OVER THE MANY YEARS THIS FORM OF SWORD HAS TAKEN TO EVOLVE. LOTS OF QUESTIONS BUT THAT IS PART OF THE FUN OF COLLECTING. DOING RESEARCH AND LOOKING FOR CLUES TO SOLVE THE MANY MYSTERY'S.

Dajak · 18th January 2017, 11:06 PM

Hi Vandoo the side knife is very rare with Pakayuns it is connected by an rope so it can take of if needed.

Same by the Ibans no pocket knife connected but I have an Iban parang that has an pocket knife there are always exceptions....

I think there always little variation but with the Pakayun it is the time that change things.

I have only yet one pakayun that has brass dots in it.....some are carved but that are the later examples because not the old type heavy blade (same as the Jimpul old ones have heavy blades but also as we can see many difference).

I had more than 30 pakayuns in my collection and see 20 other ones for to study.....

That was the only thing to learn something about it because not much information is written about is.

Dajak

kai · 20th January 2017, 02:02 AM

Hello Ben,

Thanks for posting this very nice example! This one seems to have an even larger pommel than usual (and with especially nice carving) - could you possibly post a family pic of the major hilt types including this and also the one from your avatar, please?

It's a pity that many have lost their scabbards - the carving in this one is really great! I like these circular knots: I guess that they are initially for fastening the rattan but grew into decorative motifs, too. Do you know any other Borneo groups who utilize this kind of knot? This knot motif is also used in Moro swords, especially for wire work on hilts.

BTW, do you prefer pakayun over parapat or are you sticking with pakayun just for convenience?

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 21st January 2017, 01:16 PM

The was an big discussion on this subject....

Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun....

35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat.....

So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!!

It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name.....

The one on the avatar I sold ......

Dajak

Dajak · 29th January 2017, 08:29 PM

I found an pic of my old pakayun collection.

Dajak

Amuk Murugul · 29th January 2017, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

The was an big discussion on this subject....

Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun....

35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat.....

So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!!

It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name.....

The one on the avatar I sold ......

Dajak

In reality, it's like asking a foreigner whether they like the term "klompen" or "clogs".

Dajak · 30th January 2017, 03:18 AM

Hi Amuk you could be right on that....

Dajak

18th January 2017, 08:39 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	PAKAYUN Here an PAKAYUN that was offered for sale in in April 1905 by the welknown Ethnographical dealer W. O. Oldman. Very rare old type of the Pakayun. Dajak. Attached Images

18th January 2017, 08:41 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	W. O. Oldman See The Oldman Cataloque. Dajak. Attached Images

18th January 2017, 09:27 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Vandoo it is mine I did had many weapons that where pictured in the Oldman cataloque ..... The handle is rare normally they have other type like the above one in the pic. Dajak Attached Images

29th January 2017, 08:29 PM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	old pic I found an pic of my old pakayun collection. Dajak Attached Images

30th January 2017, 03:18 AM	#11
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Name Hi Amuk you could be right on that.... Dajak

18th January 2017, 09:13 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY BEAUTIFUL OLD EXAMPLE FROM A FAMOUS OLD COLLECTOR/ DEALER. IT SHOWS VERY WELL THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE MASTER CARVERS OF THE TIME. NO DOUBT THE BLADE WAS STATE OF THE ART AS WELL. A COMPLETE EXAMPLE IS RARE AS MOST SEEM TO HAVE LOST THE SCABBARDS ALONG THE WAY. THANKS FOR POSTING A PICTURE OF THIS TREASURE. IS IT YOURS ON ON YOUR WISH LIST

18th January 2017, 10:40 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE NOT SEEN MANY OF THESE AND MOST HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH LIKE THE FIRST ONE ON TOP OF THE 3 PICTURED TOGETHER. IT APPEARS TO HAVE THE SMALL SIDE KNIFE LIKE THE DAYAK MANDAU IS THAT COMMON AND JUST MISSING ON MOST EXAMPLES.? NOT ONLY IS THERE VARIATION ON THE CARVED WOOD HANDLES THERE IS DIFFERENCES IN THE BRASS WORK IN GUARD SHAPE AND DESIGNS ENGRAVED OR CAST INTO THEM. OTHER METALS MAY ALSO HAVE BEEN USED PERHAPS SILVER OR GERMAN SILVER.? IS THERE VARIATIONS IN BLADE TIPS AS FOUND ON MANDAU THE ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE MUCH THE SAME ON PAKAYUN. SOME HANDLES HAVE WOVEN FIBER AND SOME DO NOT, PERHAPS IT BECOMES BRITTLE AND IS LOST OVER TIME. DO YOU KNOW IF THESE VARIATIONS ARE RELATED TO DIFFERENT REGIONS AND TRIBES OR DEPENDING AND THE PRESTIGE AND POWER OF THE OWNERS. I SUPPOSE DIFFERENT FASHIONS AND DESIGNS HAD INFLUENCE OVER THE MANY YEARS THIS FORM OF SWORD HAS TAKEN TO EVOLVE. LOTS OF QUESTIONS BUT THAT IS PART OF THE FUN OF COLLECTING. DOING RESEARCH AND LOOKING FOR CLUES TO SOLVE THE MANY MYSTERY'S.

18th January 2017, 11:06 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Vandoo the side knife is very rare with Pakayuns it is connected by an rope so it can take of if needed. Same by the Ibans no pocket knife connected but I have an Iban parang that has an pocket knife there are always exceptions.... I think there always little variation but with the Pakayun it is the time that change things. I have only yet one pakayun that has brass dots in it.....some are carved but that are the later examples because not the old type heavy blade (same as the Jimpul old ones have heavy blades but also as we can see many difference). I had more than 30 pakayuns in my collection and see 20 other ones for to study..... That was the only thing to learn something about it because not much information is written about is. Dajak

20th January 2017, 02:02 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Ben, Thanks for posting this very nice example! This one seems to have an even larger pommel than usual (and with especially nice carving) - could you possibly post a family pic of the major hilt types including this and also the one from your avatar, please? It's a pity that many have lost their scabbards - the carving in this one is really great! I like these circular knots: I guess that they are initially for fastening the rattan but grew into decorative motifs, too. Do you know any other Borneo groups who utilize this kind of knot? This knot motif is also used in Moro swords, especially for wire work on hilts. BTW, do you prefer pakayun over parapat or are you sticking with pakayun just for convenience? Regards, Kai

21st January 2017, 01:16 PM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	The was an big discussion on this subject.... Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun.... 35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat..... So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!! It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name..... The one on the avatar I sold ...... Dajak