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I placed a bid on this non-eye catching kris last week on ebay. I thought it has potential....
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the blade came up decent.....
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You were quite right about its potential - congratulations on a very nice blade.
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Congratulations, a very rare Pamor combination - 4 twisted bars at base of the blade (in a form resembling Pamor Ujung Gunung) and the same Pamor Ujung Gunung done in a common way at the tip of the blade.
Unfortunately Greneng and Kembang Kacang areas are severely reshaped. (Sorry for using javanese Keris terminology.) |
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Wow, beautiful pattern and twistcore, can you show please the complete kris?
I also don't think that greneng and kembang kacang (katik) are reshaped, worn yes but doubt that this areas are reshaped. Regards, Detlef |
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as requested.... |
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Great and unusual catch!
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The blade came up decent? That's an understatement! Gorgeous!
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finally had time to fix up this kris. It has cracks and missing piece on the ivory but it adds character. thnks
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![]() Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 27th December 2016 at 09:08 PM. |
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My bad, I forgot to attach.
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The scabbard and the handle came together with a broken blade, luckily the clamp fits perfectly, so its just basically transferring the hardware to the new blade, with some grinding to the mouth of the scabbard. I got this at an antique store in Yuma, Arizona. |
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Chris: Two great looking twist-cores. You did really good. I think both would go late 1800s to very early 1900s. Can't do much better than that. Haven't seen you since the Pasadena Knife Show. That was more than a few years ago................Dave.
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Hello Chris,
Congrats, great score! (No idea how I missed this thread...) I'm not sure if I would have changed the hilt - I believe this kris originally had 2 clamps. The "new" hilt with silver braiding is very nice though! Regards, Kai |
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Very nice kris.
The blade looks Maranao in origin with an unusual laminated pattern. The replaced hilt looks more Sulu than Maranao, while the scabbard looks very new and also Sulu in style. The materials used for the scabbard are non-traditional in a number of ways, with the use of large headed nails and a rattan wrap that I have trouble placing. Ian. |
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Hello Dave, long time no see and talk, I might drop by at the Pasadena knife show this year. I would like to show you a large twistcore kris that I acquired yrs back. Send my regards to Lonna.
Ian, I might be wrong but thru my years of collecting moro weapons and moro weapons only, I have seen several kinds of scabbards with small and large nails, and the used of rattan wraps but styles varies this style I've seen other wise I won't use. The scabbard came with large head nails not newly added but original to it. It doesn't look old now because I had them polished, I also had an old moro weapon plaque with same type of nails use. You can also search thru this forums archive you will see a few scabbards with the same features. The only unusual thing probably added was the braided rattan wraps and the red cloth. Kai, you're right, there might had been a second clamp. I was planning to add two clamps but I still remember how costly this things are. The last two clamps I had custom made cost me half a grand. Thanks for the compliment Sajen. |
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great luck! Agree with Ian that the scabbard look much younger as the handle, do you have reworked it? Regards, Detlef |
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Hello Sajen, the scabbard and handle came together and are original it just look new now because I shaved off the patina by polished the wood and nails. I added the cloth and the rattan wrap later. Thanks for the comments and compliments. Cheers
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Can someone tell me which moro tribe this belongs to? based on the sheath and handle. thanks
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I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu.
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[QUOTE=Battara]I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu.
Do you now own this? Yes, I pick this up from ebay early this year. Thanks btw for clarifying the origin of this kris. |
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Hey Dave, long time no see. I was going to see you guys at the Militaria antique show in Pomona at one time but I missed the opportunity. Hopefully this year I can drop by at the Pasadena knife show. Pls. bring your twistcore krises. ;o) Send my regards to Lonna. |
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What is the material of the pommel on this one. The photos aren't very good, but it looks like fossilized elephant molar. Can we see some better shots of it?
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Hi David, according to the restoration person that did the sealing as the pommel material was falling apart when I rec'd it, it is made from carved elephant tooth. I will take close up photos when I get home. |
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Rarely do I disagree with Jose, but on this occasion I think he is mistaken in his attribution of the blade to the Maguindanao, at least if we are to believe Cato's classification.
Attached is a scan of Cato's Figure 39-42,* which I have labeled A,B,C,D: A = Sulu kris; B = Maranao; C = Maguindanao; and D = a "crossover" form. A picture of your kris (attached) shows the "elephant trunk" area is most consistent with the Maranao example (B) shown by Cato. To quote Cato (p. 68): The type that is distinctly Maranao begins with an elongated trunk [I think the tip of your trunk may have broken off]. The mouth cavity, while still present, is quite narrow, and the lower jaw runs parallel to the guard. While the Sulu, Maguindanao and "crossover" forms of the elephant's head/trunk motif display concave cavities beneath the lower jaw, the Maranao configuration does not.Ian. *Cato, R. Moro Swords. Graham Brash: Singapore, 1996, pp. 68-69. |
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Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory.
On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree. |
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