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Was there a uniformity in the small arms of Napoleon's Mameluke Guard?
Over the years I've seen oe or two khanjars that were described as belonging to Napoleon's Mamelukes, but with no documented proof. Goya's painting "The Second of May 1808:The charge of the Mamluks" is perhaps the most famous period depiction of these soldiers. ![]() |
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Hi, as French, I had to meet the challenge
and propose some pictures of Mameluke Empire period ... and weapons ... it is not easy ... as the iconography on this subject is poor there is NO such guarantee about the authenticity for what I found ... hope so that represent a part of realty, and none a part of "romanticism" ... ![]() should be (?) extracted from " VOYAGES DANS LA BASSE ET LA HAUTE ÉGYPTE, PENDANT LES CAMPAGNES DE BONAPARTE, EN 1798 ET 1799. " Par Vivant Denon mamluk weapons (?) ![]() à + Dom |
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Dmitry, you have PM.
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Hi, not 100% relevant, but still nice to see, this is a sabre made for Napoleon, while he was in Egypt.
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Isn't this the one some members of his family sold, three years ago, in auction for a few million $, eventually to another member of his family?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...leon%27s+sword |
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No, it is not the same sword. The one on recent sale was of "european style" while this is of mameluke style.
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Another interesting matter would be the source of their weapons?
Were they made by the French, or in Egypt, when Napoleon bought his 2000 Mameluke mercenaries? IIRC, the Mamlukes were sort like a caste, and as such they probably wore blades of their own property. OTOH, the Vieille Garde had Music bands dressed and attired in the Turkish/Mamluke way. Weapons for the latter were of Mamluke style, but French in actual provenance. The mameluke style sword was adopted by many European armies, both for their musicians and for field use. The quality and features of these blades vary accordingly. Click on the thumbs for a larger image: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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It would be such a great contribution for the forum happyness if, instead of posting links to your photo store, you would upload picture attachments to the resident server. Piensa neso ![]() . |
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Estimado Nando,
It's very nice to correspond with you again. Thank you for the data on the mamelukes. The reasons I use the links instead of the attachments are these. 1. I already have the pictures downloaded to a personal photo depot. OTOH, I would need to take new pictures, process them, resize them according to this forum limitations, then post. I don't have that much time! That would severely hamper my desire to post and contribute to the forum. 2. Occasionally, some of my items will change hands. When that's the case, I remove the images from my server. I feel it is improper to be using somebody elses weapon's pictures, perhaps even illegal! 3. "Todo pasa, todo queda": Nothing's forever. Any of our readers interested in the subject can download the pics themselves, for their own use today. Tomorrow? Lo que sera, sera. Warmest regards Manolo Quote:
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When someone researching a few years from now excitedly googles into a relevant thread only to find it useless because the pictures are gone, who do you suppose gets their frustrated email? |
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Got your message, Manolo; points of view noted.
Definitely (nowadays) i have lots of time myself ![]() I also erase pictures from my computer resident (not web) library, when pieces eventually go away. But i don't tink it is illegal to preserve them in a/the forum archives for future memory, as long as they were posted while the item was ours. Saludos Nando |
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Manolo, we certainly don't want to put you to too much trouble. But if you have ever been referred back to an old thread in our archives and found nothing but "image removed" icons amongst the text you might understand our frustration. Without the weapons in discussion properly illustrated the text often becomes completely useless. As Lee pointed out, you own the rights to these photos regardless of who you might sell the weapon to down the line. And you certainly don't need to reshoot these. The image below i simply dragged off your site. it was already well within the size specs for this site so i didn't need to to anything to it, just upload. I can delete this post (and image) if this offends you, but this will preserve these images connected to this thread for as long as this site exists therefore keeping the conversation and continued research viable.
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I notice that Lee's comprehensive input concerning the legal issue arrived here one minute before my post, making my empirical observations a bit surpassed.
The reason is that i actually started first but, despite my text was shorter, i take much longer to write and recheck it, assuming english is not my mother language ![]() Yes, Lee is right, searching for a thread in order to check on a determined item and finding only blank squares with the photo depot logo, is like looking at a garden without flowers. Tu servidor Nando |
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Guys,
You have been wonderful hosts. For you, I'll try to post originals. But please forgive the ocassional lapse. Best regards. Manolo Quote:
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