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Hi all,
Picked this one up today, think I paid over the odds for it, but it was one of 'those' deals! I know the chap and he's a nice bloke and he got me to drive over with a description that sounded like a pesh-kabz. Yes he remembered it totally differently from the reality as its not been out of the drawer in years etc, etc..... Anyway, it seems fairly familiar,but I can't place it! Help me out peeps! ;-) Thanks Gene ![]() ![]() |
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It's a Spanish knife from the late 18th-early 19th C. I had one
exactly like it a while back. Sold it for a pretty penny. Nice find. Rich |
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Oh, brilliant! Thanks Rich.
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Yes. It seems to belong to the style called "mediterranean". A very interesting piece. The argentinean and canarian puñales are closely related to this style. Regards Gonzalo |
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Indeed, it's Spanish. Probably from the city of Albacete and also probably 19th c. It's in an excellent condition, congratulations
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I don't think I've had one quite like it before but something similar perhaps. I will be interested to investigate the similar knives you speak of. Regards Gene |
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Do you know what they were for? Are they a utility knife or a defensive dagger? Any info very greatfully appreciated. Regards Gene |
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Now that I know that this is European, could a mod' be kind enough to move it to the new Euro forum?
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You can see the argentinean puñales here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/facon/criollo.html and you can see modern canarian knives in the old fashion here: http://cuchilloscanarios.com/ Regards Gonzalo |
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Thanks Gonzalo,
There are some very beautiful knives there, and some very 'grand' ones! Some of these Gauchos clearly had refined tastes, and money to indulge them. I've seen a few 'lesser' knives of that type in the UK over the years, but they are not common. Do they come up for sale often in Mexico? The 'asymetric' shape still gives them a utility or even 'cutlery' look to me, but having had mine for a whole day now ;-) I find the shape is starting to look more pleasing to me. I could see myself having a collection of these if I lived somewhere where they were regularly available. Do you have any in your collection? Regards Gene |
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The puñal criollo is an utility knife for all sorts of work. Gauchos were poor man, but the land owners, burocrats and army officers could indulge on silver mounted puñales and facones. They don´t show in México, but I´m member of an argentinean forum where most of the best badesmiths and some of the best siversmiths from Argentina joins. I can put you in contact with people which mounts puñales criollos on chased silver or nickel silver.
No, I don´t collect them, nor have any. Regards Gonzalo Last edited by Gonzalo G; 11th September 2008 at 11:50 AM. |
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I wonder, has the lineage of these knives been completely mapped? I mean are the Gaucho knives decendants of Spanish knives and the North American bowie a hybrid of Gaucho and trade knives? Regards Gene |
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So who carried this sort of knife? Was it commonplace for men to carry them or just specific sections of society (like the gaucho knives)? I must admit I really like the knife now! :-) Regards Gene |
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Hi Atlantia,
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As an aside, it was on account of the ban on fixed blade knives that the large Spanish folding knife, the "navaja", was developed. With the above said, there was a thriving industry in Spain from the 2nd half of the 19th century, mostly in Albacete, but also in Toledo, making "banned" articles for souvenirs, display pieces and export. Charles D'Ávillier and Gustav Dore mentioned these in 1862, in their published travelogue, Voyage through Spain. Cheers Chris |
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