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Hello to all!
I recently found this Keris Cengkrong with an ancient very thin blade. Must have been highly esteemed by a previous owner according to the costly sarong (silver sheat, gading handle). An indonesian friend opined it to be tangguh kuno from pajajaran era, eventually previously owned by a royal family. What would you say? Thanks for your comments. regards Karl |
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Ahhh yes I recognize this one, you got it from a Dutch guy!
The bery tip end of the blade is broken. |
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Also think that the silver rim/band around the neck or joint of the sheath is missing ( it usually comes together with the button).
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This style of scabbard, from the applicable period, is normally made in mamas, not silver.
Has the material in this scabbard been tested and confirmed as silver? |
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It was not tested, I was just told that it is silver or siver plated. But I think you are right its a bit too shiny.
btw. What is Mamas made of? Just know it contains some Nickel. |
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The style of scabbard reminds me much more of a wooden example I recently handled and passed thru. Still believe it is silver plated.
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Blade belonging to a royal family?
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I honestly have not handled keris cengkrong nor really seen too many in photos, but this blade seems off to me. It may just be the angle of the photo, but the front of this blade looks like it was once a keris that had the entire gandik sheared off. The edge appears squared off. It this the way keris cengkrong always are or is it possible this blade was once a keris?
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Cundrik not Cengkrong.
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I have also seen this style of blade referred to as "Cundrik", but Cundrik has also been used by numerous writers on keris (perhaps incorrectly) to describe this a ancient blade form. |
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Your blade is a cundrik sajen. According to the books Dhapur and the EK, the differences between dapur cundrik and cengkrong are very minimal so they can be easily confused. They are usually straight blades but wavy blades are also found, especially with 5 luk. Regards |
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Maybe the lurus ones have a reverse Ganja the pandawa none? I was also told that this is a very old form of keris to be worn by warriors only. Regards Last edited by Arjuna; 19th March 2018 at 05:32 PM. |
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Well, if were were to accept this last diagram as fact Arjuna i suppose that your blade would best be described as Cundrik Pandawa since it is both wavy and has no separate gonjo as the other two example do.
Though i am still suspicious of this blade in regards to my question i first made about it. This appears to a a blade that was has been reformed. The front edge near the base looks like it has been sheared off, leaving a flat surface. Can we see some sharper photos of this area of the blade? Can we see the way it fits into the sheath from an above view. Should we expect a Javanese blade form purported to possibly be from a royal family to carry a Madurese hilt form? I suspect this could possibly be a composite piece. |
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Another old cengkrong or cundrik blade with 5 luk and rather similar to Arjuna's specimen.
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I have an almost similar blade, but the hilt and scabbard are recent.
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So no one wants to address my question about the squared-off nature of the "gandik" area of this blade?
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