Help! I have a bad infection, again a kris!

Sajen · 20th November 2010, 04:01 PM

Hello, I have watched this auction and see that I will get the chance to do my next good bargain,so I give a moderate bid and win again. I think that it is a Sulu kris with a late 19th c. blade and maybe newer fittings. Until now I don't receiced it and only have the poor picture from the seller.
Here the link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

What do you think?

Detlef

Battara · 20th November 2010, 05:53 PM

W W! You are turning into a Moro maniac (like the rest of us

).

Congratulations on this piece. The blade at least is Maguindanao and older. The scabbard is later WWII. Need to see close ups of the hilt, but the pommel is made of banati (burled) wood of some kind. Shame the scabbard is damaged, that MOP is lovely.

Sajen · 20th November 2010, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

W W! You are turning into a Moro maniac (like the rest of us

).

Congratulations on this piece. The blade at least is Maguindanao and older. The scabbard is later WWII. Need to see close ups of the hilt, but the pommel is made of banati (burled) wood of some kind. Shame the scabbard is damaged, that MOP is lovely.

Yes, I am turning into a Moro manic, special when I get the pieces by this prices.

My guess that it is a Sulu kris was founded by the horse hoof pommel since Cato write that this is typical for Sulu.

That the sheat is from WWII was clear.

kai · 21st November 2010, 02:10 AM

Hello Detlef,

Looks like a nice blade again!

Horse hoof pommel are often found on Sulu kris but not limited to that region. Please post close-ups when you receive it.

Regards,
Kai

David · 21st November 2010, 03:33 AM

Yeah Sajen, you're sick alright...

I suggest that you just pack up all these Moro thingies that you have been picking up and mail them straight to me.

I was watching this auction as well, but i tend to like my kris complete and the broken sheath bothered me. I'd say you got a good deal though and the kris itself is a nice one.
I agree with José that the blade looks Maguindanao, but i think it was rehilted at some time and the sheath is certainly newer than the blade.
Nice catch! Love to see it cleaned up.

Battara · 21st November 2010, 04:06 AM

Another thing to consider is that there was a lot of trade between the Sulu people and the Maguindanao. This includes blades as well. I have seen Sulu hilts on Maguindanao and visa versa. No surprise here. Might also explain the form of WWII scabbard used as well.

Sajen · 21st November 2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Detlef,

Looks like a nice blade again!

Horse hoof pommel are often found on Sulu kris but not limited to that region. Please post close-ups when you receive it.

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

thank you. I still have to learn. You all have to explain one time how you can see by the "elephant trunk" from which tribe the blade forged.

When I received the kris I will post some close-ups.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 21st November 2010, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Yeah Sajen, you're sick alright...

I suggest that you just pack up all these Moro thingies that you have been picking up and mail them straight to me.

I was watching this auction as well, but i tend to like my kris complete and the broken sheath bothered me. I'd say you got a good deal though and the kris itself is a nice one.
I agree with José that the blade looks Maguindanao, but i think it was rehilted at some time and the sheath is certainly newer than the blade.
Nice catch! Love to see it cleaned up.

Hi David,

normally I also look for complete kris, i.e. with unbroken sheath and easy restoreable but the price have been very low so I try a bid.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 21st November 2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Another thing to consider is that there was a lot of trade between the Sulu people and the Maguindanao. This includes blades as well. I have seen Sulu hilts on Maguindanao and visa versa. No surprise here. Might also explain the form of WWII scabbard used as well.

Hello Jose,

this seems to be a very logical statement.

Regards,

Detlef

Atlantia · 21st November 2010, 03:20 PM

It seems to be a lot of sword for the money! I've always wanted one of these. If I'd known they could be picked up so cheap now, I'd be bidding ......
Well, that is if eBay didn't block bids from the UK on such things now

Nice looking sword, congratulations

Sajen · 21st November 2010, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

It seems to be a lot of sword for the money! I've always wanted one of these. If I'd known they could be picked up so cheap now, I'd be bidding ......
Well, that is if eBay didn't block bids from the UK on such things now

Nice looking sword, congratulations

Thank you! BTW, in Germany are all items blocked where is written down in description WWII.

Best regards,

Detlef

tunggulametung · 21st November 2010, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Well, that is if eBay didn't block bids from the UK on such things now

I think you can bid by registering another account on US site but if not working you can use services like "hop shop go"

@ sajen: congrats! looks like a thick blade, I think it is going to have "sandwich pamor" like the other one.

Sajen · 21st November 2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tunggulametung

@ sajen: congrats! looks like a thick blade, I think it is going to have "sandwich pamor" like the other one.

Chandra, thank's! Yes, the blade seems to be thick and I hope that it will have a nice lamination.

Sajen · 15th December 2010, 10:51 AM

Today I received the kris, with the kris I am very pleased but the sheath is in very poor condition like already to seen on the pictures from the seller. There is no mother of pearl but maybe have been there before?

Here some first fast taken pictures.

Battara · 15th December 2010, 07:36 PM

Well looks like a true separable ganga - good for you!

On the scabbard, looks like it had horn.

Sajen · 15th December 2010, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well looks like a true separable ganga - good for you!

On the scabbard, looks like it had horn.

Yes, separate gonjo. The back of the cross-piece of the sheath is covered with horn but in front the cutting lines of the piece of horn are very straight so it was my first guess that it was framed with an other material and this guess was MOP. But now I am very sure that it was aluminium since at some places it is still present. The up from the mouth for example is covered with this metal and also the nails whereby the horn is fixed to the wood are from Al. And I think that I have seen something similar before.

BTW, I have cleaned the handle and polished the blade and think that I will etch the blade tomorrow. Here a pic of the cleaned handle.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 16th December 2010, 12:24 AM

Nice. Yeah looking again at the front of the scabbard, I agree that it might have had MOP surrounding the little section of horn.

Gavin Nugent · 16th December 2010, 12:31 AM

My question about the new affliction is with all those Keris, where are you now going to keep these Moro Kris.....

Gav

Sajen · 16th December 2010, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Nice. Yeah looking again at the front of the scabbard, I agree that it might have had MOP surrounding the little section of horn.

Thank you! Yes, I think there have been MOP or more probably a aluminium frame since there are still some pieces of this metal existent.

Sajen · 16th December 2010, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

My question about the new affliction is with all those Keris, where are you now going to keep these Moro Kris.....

Gav

Hello Gav,

don't worry, there is still a lot of space at my walls!

Detlef

Robert · 16th December 2010, 06:54 PM

Hello Detlef, My congratulations on this very nice addition to your collection. If by some chance you find you do not have enough space to display it please feel free to send it to me.

I have not yet been able to add a traditional kris to my own collection as it seems that every time I find one that I really like there is always someone else out there that out bids me on it.

Again, my congratulations to you on your newest addition.

Robert

Sajen · 16th December 2010, 08:53 PM

Thank you Robert and be sure that you will find by time a very nice kris for your great Philippine collection!

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 17th December 2010, 12:33 AM

Have etched the blade this evening and it schows a similar lamination like the last one. Is this a very common lamination by philippine kris blades?

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 17th December 2010, 02:59 AM

Actually yes, it is a common lamination pattern for many Moro pieces, especially after 1800.

20th November 2010, 04:01 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,766	Help! I have a bad infection, again a kris! Hello, I have watched this auction and see that I will get the chance to do my next good bargain,so I give a moderate bid and win again. I think that it is a Sulu kris with a late 19th c. blade and maybe newer fittings. Until now I don't receiced it and only have the poor picture from the seller. Here the link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT What do you think? Detlef Attached Images

15th December 2010, 10:51 AM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,766	Today I received the kris, with the kris I am very pleased but the sheath is in very poor condition like already to seen on the pictures from the seller. There is no mother of pearl but maybe have been there before? Here some first fast taken pictures. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 12:31 AM	#18
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Yep, your bitten.. My question about the new affliction is with all those Keris, where are you now going to keep these Moro Kris..... Gav

17th December 2010, 12:33 AM	#23
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,766	Have etched the blade this evening and it schows a similar lamination like the last one. Is this a very common lamination by philippine kris blades? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

20th November 2010, 05:53 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	W W! You are turning into a Moro maniac (like the rest of us ). Congratulations on this piece. The blade at least is Maguindanao and older. The scabbard is later WWII. Need to see close ups of the hilt, but the pommel is made of banati (burled) wood of some kind. Shame the scabbard is damaged, that MOP is lovely.

21st November 2010, 02:10 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Detlef, Looks like a nice blade again! Horse hoof pommel are often found on Sulu kris but not limited to that region. Please post close-ups when you receive it. Regards, Kai

21st November 2010, 03:33 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	Yeah Sajen, you're sick alright... I suggest that you just pack up all these Moro thingies that you have been picking up and mail them straight to me. I was watching this auction as well, but i tend to like my kris complete and the broken sheath bothered me. I'd say you got a good deal though and the kris itself is a nice one. I agree with José that the blade looks Maguindanao, but i think it was rehilted at some time and the sheath is certainly newer than the blade. Nice catch! Love to see it cleaned up.

21st November 2010, 04:06 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Another thing to consider is that there was a lot of trade between the Sulu people and the Maguindanao. This includes blades as well. I have seen Sulu hilts on Maguindanao and visa versa. No surprise here. Might also explain the form of WWII scabbard used as well.

21st November 2010, 03:20 PM	#10
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It seems to be a lot of sword for the money! I've always wanted one of these. If I'd known they could be picked up so cheap now, I'd be bidding ...... Well, that is if eBay didn't block bids from the UK on such things now Nice looking sword, congratulations

15th December 2010, 07:36 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Well looks like a true separable ganga - good for you! On the scabbard, looks like it had horn.

16th December 2010, 12:24 AM	#17
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Nice. Yeah looking again at the front of the scabbard, I agree that it might have had MOP surrounding the little section of horn.

16th December 2010, 06:54 PM	#21
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, My congratulations on this very nice addition to your collection. If by some chance you find you do not have enough space to display it please feel free to send it to me. I have not yet been able to add a traditional kris to my own collection as it seems that every time I find one that I really like there is always someone else out there that out bids me on it. Again, my congratulations to you on your newest addition. Robert

16th December 2010, 08:53 PM	#22
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,766	Thank you Robert and be sure that you will find by time a very nice kris for your great Philippine collection! Regards, Detlef

17th December 2010, 02:59 AM	#24
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Actually yes, it is a common lamination pattern for many Moro pieces, especially after 1800.