Another amalgamation sword your taughts

Kmaddock · 29th February 2024, 09:50 AM

Hi
Some of you may recall the shamshir with briquet handle I acquired around a month ago.
This item is coming from the breaking up of a very old collection (I got a 1880's red coat in v v good condition last week from the same collection but off topic for this forum)

Well the seller has come across some more items

So this looks like a British 1796 Pattern Infantry Officer's Spadroon handle on a Tulwar, blade?

Pictures are terrible but I actually like it.

How this would handle I don't know but I should see over the weekend and make a call then. Probably wont be expensive either way.

Maybe these are fantasy items made up of original items or a true meeting of east and west a hundred years ago.

Taughts welcome

Ken

Jim McDougall · 29th February 2024, 06:19 PM

I really like stuff like this Ken.
On the left is a M1899 British cavalry sword, never see many of these around.
I think you're right, a M1796 heavy cavalry spadroon with the guard cut down. the blade is a trade saber, probably Solingen as near as I can tell. Could be tulwar or any number of contexts.
It seems to me that in colonial native contexts these kinds of 'creations' abound, so as they are typically 'one off' who knows?

Changdao · 29th February 2024, 08:09 PM

Yes, the blade looks from Solingen by the eyelash markings and the fullers. It's hard to tell from where it is from. It might even be African, as I've seen old photographies of Hausa riders with similar swords (that is, Western trade blades and guards that look like canibalised European ones instead of local styles, with stirrup hilts for example)

29th February 2024, 09:50 AM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Another amalgamation sword your taughts Hi Some of you may recall the shamshir with briquet handle I acquired around a month ago. This item is coming from the breaking up of a very old collection (I got a 1880's red coat in v v good condition last week from the same collection but off topic for this forum) Well the seller has come across some more items So this looks like a British 1796 Pattern Infantry Officer's Spadroon handle on a Tulwar, blade? Pictures are terrible but I actually like it. How this would handle I don't know but I should see over the weekend and make a call then. Probably wont be expensive either way. Maybe these are fantasy items made up of original items or a true meeting of east and west a hundred years ago. Taughts welcome Ken Attached Images

29th February 2024, 06:19 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,954	I really like stuff like this Ken. On the left is a M1899 British cavalry sword, never see many of these around. I think you're right, a M1796 heavy cavalry spadroon with the guard cut down. the blade is a trade saber, probably Solingen as near as I can tell. Could be tulwar or any number of contexts. It seems to me that in colonial native contexts these kinds of 'creations' abound, so as they are typically 'one off' who knows?

29th February 2024, 08:09 PM	#3
Changdao Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Spain Posts: 29	Yes, the blade looks from Solingen by the eyelash markings and the fullers. It's hard to tell from where it is from. It might even be African, as I've seen old photographies of Hausa riders with similar swords (that is, Western trade blades and guards that look like canibalised European ones instead of local styles, with stirrup hilts for example)