WARRIOR EMPIRE THE MUGALS OF INDIA

VANDOO · 14th May 2006, 04:10 AM

I JUST WATCHED A TAPE OF A PROGRAM ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL ON THE MUGAL EMPIRE. I THOUGHT IT WAS QUITE GOOD AND FEATURED SEVERAL TYPES OF WEAPONS. THEY DID A GOOD JOB AND COVERED QUITE A LOT INCLUDING ELEPHANT ARMOR AND BATTLE TACTICS. I FINALLY GOT TO SEE ONE OF THE BLADES PUT ON THEIR TUSKS AND DESCRIPTIONS AS TO HOW THEY WERE USED. I WOULD RECOMEND IT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

Mark · 14th May 2006, 07:51 PM

I saw that program, too (or parts of it). I think there was also one on the Rajputs. The elephant armor, with tusk swords, was impressive. Unbelievable how much labor went into making just one set!

I must say that I was less than impressed by the "weapons expert" on the program who was explaining the hand weapons. He lost me when he made a blunt, straight chop on a goat carcas with a tulwar (which, by the way, he didn't even name as such). Sure, it made a nasty wound, but he completely overlooked the fact that it is designed for slashing. And firing a Mugal matchlock that hadn't been fired in centuries!

The guy explaining the bows was great, on the other hand.

Aside from the chopping incident, and the cringe factor of watch that guy shoot the matchlock, I thought the program was excellent, though.

Battara · 15th May 2006, 08:53 PM

I saw part of it too. 17th c cannon that can shoot 15 miles!

And Tipu Sultan's rockets with blades on them slashing through the air?!?

Excellent show.

RSWORD · 15th May 2006, 11:29 PM

Does anyone know when the history channel will be showing this again?

Mark · 16th May 2006, 04:20 PM

I just checked on their web site and it said there were no upcoming episodes (http://www.historychannel.com/global...6&NetwCode=THC). It seems that the "Da Vinci Code" is getting all the attention this week.

Rivkin · 16th May 2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

He lost me when he made a blunt, straight chop on a goat carcas with a tulwar (which, by the way, he didn't even name as such). Sure, it made a nasty wound, but he completely overlooked the fact that it is designed for slashing. And firing a Mugal matchlock that hadn't been fired in centuries!

The guy explaining the bows was great, on the other hand.

Let me guess - he was trying to perform kata he learned in his ninja-do dojo ?

VANDOO · 16th May 2006, 08:11 PM

THE HISTORY CHANNEL DOES SELL TAPES OF THEIR PROGRAMS BUT THEY ARE NOT CHEAP. I AM SURE THEY WILL SHOW IT AGAIN SOMETIME.

AS TO THE CHOP TO THE GOAT CARCAS IT WAS A VERY POOR WAY TO SHOW THE CUTTING ABILITY OF THE SWORD OR OF THE WIELDER. IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS MORE INTERESTED IN USING A TECKNIQUE WITH THE SMALLEST RISK OF DAMMAGE TO SWORD OR WIELDER . THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DONE WITH SUCH A POOR, WEAK TECKNIQUE GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT DAMMAGE COULD EASILY BE DONE IF FULL FORCE AND PROPER TECKNIQUE WERE USED.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE FIRED THE OLD MATCHLOCK CROUCHED UNDER A TABLE TIMIDLY REACHING FORTH TO PULL THE TRIGGER ( COMIC RELIEF PERHAPS

). I DID LIKE THE DISECTION OF THE OLD MATCHLOCK BARREL TO SHOW HOW IT WAS MADE AND THE INFORMATION ON HOW THE LARGE CANNON WERE MADE. TO CAST IT SOLID AND THEN HOLLOW IT OUT MECHANICALLY MUST HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE WEIGHT OF THE FINISHED BARREL ONE CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH THE SOLID ONE WEIGHED.
DESPITE A FEW FAULTS IT WAS ONE OF THE HISTORY CHANNELS BEST OF THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, OF COURSE IT LEAVES US WANTING MORE BUT WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING

I BELIEVE THE KNEELING ON THE FLOOR AND STRIKING STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE FRONT FROM HALF CHAMBER COMES FROM THE (STRIKE COCKROACH ON FLOOR )KATA

not2sharp · 16th May 2006, 08:33 PM

He is a good piece of historical fiction on the Mogul empire. I met tom when he was writting this and his research as very extensive.

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Mark · 16th May 2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

I BELIEVE THE KNEELING ON THE FLOOR AND STRIKING STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE FRONT FROM HALF CHAMBER COMES FROM THE (STRIKE COCKROACH ON FLOOR )KATA

LOL!

Jens Nordlunde · 17th May 2006, 02:41 PM

In Hindu Arms and Ritual by Robert Elgood he shows an inventory list (Appendix II) made of the arms and armour in the Tanjore armoury May 1860 by H.D.Phillips Commissionaire to Tanjore.
About 3400 bladed weapons and armours of different kinds are mentioned, about 300 patta’s, about 400 firangi’s and a lot of other weapons, but only one elephant sword – “Puttah or double-edged sword to be held in an elephant’s trunk”. To me, this suggests, that arming an elephant with a sword cant have been common.

Also when reading The Mansabdari System and the Mughul Army, Lahore 1945, by Abdul Aziz (P 223), where he quotes ‘Monserrate’s Commentary from his journey to Akbar’s court in 1591, Oxford University Press 1922’, where Manserate writes about the ‘War elephants’, he writes. “But the use of elephants in the fighting line involved serious disadvantages and risks. Just as an advancing line of elephants belonging to a victorious army could trample the retreating foe and work haveloc, similarly the elephants of a defeated could often turn round and, in a headlong, disorderly flight, crush their own soldiery.
This contingency was foreseen, and partly provided against, by placing the elephants at the back.”

I doubt very much that any army would like to have war elephants, armed with swords in their trunks, at their back, not knowing when the elephants would attack.

14th May 2006, 04:10 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WARRIOR EMPIRE THE MUGALS OF INDIA I JUST WATCHED A TAPE OF A PROGRAM ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL ON THE MUGAL EMPIRE. I THOUGHT IT WAS QUITE GOOD AND FEATURED SEVERAL TYPES OF WEAPONS. THEY DID A GOOD JOB AND COVERED QUITE A LOT INCLUDING ELEPHANT ARMOR AND BATTLE TACTICS. I FINALLY GOT TO SEE ONE OF THE BLADES PUT ON THEIR TUSKS AND DESCRIPTIONS AS TO HOW THEY WERE USED. I WOULD RECOMEND IT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

17th May 2006, 02:41 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	In Hindu Arms and Ritual by Robert Elgood he shows an inventory list (Appendix II) made of the arms and armour in the Tanjore armoury May 1860 by H.D.Phillips Commissionaire to Tanjore. About 3400 bladed weapons and armours of different kinds are mentioned, about 300 patta’s, about 400 firangi’s and a lot of other weapons, but only one elephant sword – “Puttah or double-edged sword to be held in an elephant’s trunk”. To me, this suggests, that arming an elephant with a sword cant have been common. Also when reading The Mansabdari System and the Mughul Army, Lahore 1945, by Abdul Aziz (P 223), where he quotes ‘Monserrate’s Commentary from his journey to Akbar’s court in 1591, Oxford University Press 1922’, where Manserate writes about the ‘War elephants’, he writes. “But the use of elephants in the fighting line involved serious disadvantages and risks. Just as an advancing line of elephants belonging to a victorious army could trample the retreating foe and work haveloc, similarly the elephants of a defeated could often turn round and, in a headlong, disorderly flight, crush their own soldiery. This contingency was foreseen, and partly provided against, by placing the elephants at the back.” I doubt very much that any army would like to have war elephants, armed with swords in their trunks, at their back, not knowing when the elephants would attack. Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 17th May 2006 at 04:29 PM.

14th May 2006, 07:51 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I saw that program, too (or parts of it). I think there was also one on the Rajputs. The elephant armor, with tusk swords, was impressive. Unbelievable how much labor went into making just one set! I must say that I was less than impressed by the "weapons expert" on the program who was explaining the hand weapons. He lost me when he made a blunt, straight chop on a goat carcas with a tulwar (which, by the way, he didn't even name as such). Sure, it made a nasty wound, but he completely overlooked the fact that it is designed for slashing. And firing a Mugal matchlock that hadn't been fired in centuries! The guy explaining the bows was great, on the other hand. Aside from the chopping incident, and the cringe factor of watch that guy shoot the matchlock, I thought the program was excellent, though.

15th May 2006, 08:53 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I saw part of it too. 17th c cannon that can shoot 15 miles! And Tipu Sultan's rockets with blades on them slashing through the air?!? Excellent show.

15th May 2006, 11:29 PM	#4
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	Does anyone know when the history channel will be showing this again?

16th May 2006, 04:20 PM	#5
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I just checked on their web site and it said there were no upcoming episodes (http://www.historychannel.com/global...6&NetwCode=THC). It seems that the "Da Vinci Code" is getting all the attention this week.

16th May 2006, 08:11 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE HISTORY CHANNEL DOES SELL TAPES OF THEIR PROGRAMS BUT THEY ARE NOT CHEAP. I AM SURE THEY WILL SHOW IT AGAIN SOMETIME. AS TO THE CHOP TO THE GOAT CARCAS IT WAS A VERY POOR WAY TO SHOW THE CUTTING ABILITY OF THE SWORD OR OF THE WIELDER. IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS MORE INTERESTED IN USING A TECKNIQUE WITH THE SMALLEST RISK OF DAMMAGE TO SWORD OR WIELDER . THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DONE WITH SUCH A POOR, WEAK TECKNIQUE GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT DAMMAGE COULD EASILY BE DONE IF FULL FORCE AND PROPER TECKNIQUE WERE USED. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE FIRED THE OLD MATCHLOCK CROUCHED UNDER A TABLE TIMIDLY REACHING FORTH TO PULL THE TRIGGER ( COMIC RELIEF PERHAPS ). I DID LIKE THE DISECTION OF THE OLD MATCHLOCK BARREL TO SHOW HOW IT WAS MADE AND THE INFORMATION ON HOW THE LARGE CANNON WERE MADE. TO CAST IT SOLID AND THEN HOLLOW IT OUT MECHANICALLY MUST HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE WEIGHT OF THE FINISHED BARREL ONE CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH THE SOLID ONE WEIGHED. DESPITE A FEW FAULTS IT WAS ONE OF THE HISTORY CHANNELS BEST OF THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, OF COURSE IT LEAVES US WANTING MORE BUT WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING I BELIEVE THE KNEELING ON THE FLOOR AND STRIKING STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE FRONT FROM HALF CHAMBER COMES FROM THE (STRIKE COCKROACH ON FLOOR )KATA

16th May 2006, 08:33 PM	#8
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	He is a good piece of historical fiction on the Mogul empire. I met tom when he was writting this and his research as very extensive. http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg n2s