Balinese Keris for comments

Athanase · 18th December 2021, 07:26 PM

Hello,

From the same seller than the Tuban Kebo Lager Keris in balinese dress and pendok.

The blade is old ( but how much ? ) with Marak dapur but the dress is very rough in light wood painted to imitate timoho wood.
I think the wrongko dates from the 50s-60s.
The handle has been glued, that's why I haven't yet been able to change the Javanese mendak for one from bali.

David · 18th December 2021, 07:51 PM

Another interesting blade with some age. Though the greneng seem Balinese the other ricikan seem unusual to me, so perhaps this blade, like your other Bali dressed blade, has a different origin.
Different pakem are known to have subtle differences, but according this diagram i don't think this is Dhapur Marak. There is no odo-odo for one thing and Marak seems to have a single sogokan, which your blade does not. Also, if this is a Balinese blade i am not sure Javanese dhapur apply.
I am curious to see how others classify this keris.

Athanase · 18th December 2021, 08:21 PM

Indeed I do not think that the Javanese classification can apply but I have no document on the Balinese Dapur.

I forgot to take into account the ada ada on the other hand my blade has no Sogokan as in the representation below.
I looked too fast.

David · 18th December 2021, 08:41 PM

I could be wrong, but i believe that mendak is an old East Jawa/Madura one. Could be a clue to the blade origin given the deep inward slant of the gandik. But again, others will probably have a better idea on this.
What is the length of this blade?

Athanase · 18th December 2021, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I could be wrong, but i believe that mendak is an old East Jawa/Madura one. Could be a clue to the blade origin given the deep inward slant of the gandik. But again, others will probably have a better idea on this.
What is the length of this blade?

Yes the mendak is from East Jawa/Madura, by chance is not glued.

Blade length : 41,5cm

A. G. Maisey · 18th December 2021, 09:38 PM

I'd be inclined to accept this blade as Bali, or Lombok, I don't think I could fit it into Jawa classification. It is not any sort of major work, just a simple "every man's" blade. We don't really expect major identifying indicators in low level work.

Mendak is Madura/East Jawa.

The hilt should come off pretty easy with a bit of heat & patience, this process has been covered several times here in the past.

It would probably restore reasonably well.

18th December 2021, 07:26 PM	#1
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	Balinese Keris for comments Hello, From the same seller than the Tuban Kebo Lager Keris in balinese dress and pendok. The blade is old ( but how much ? ) with Marak dapur but the dress is very rough in light wood painted to imitate timoho wood. I think the wrongko dates from the 50s-60s. The handle has been glued, that's why I haven't yet been able to change the Javanese mendak for one from bali. Attached Images

18th December 2021, 08:21 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	Indeed I do not think that the Javanese classification can apply but I have no document on the Balinese Dapur. I forgot to take into account the ada ada on the other hand my blade has no Sogokan as in the representation below. I looked too fast. Attached Images

18th December 2021, 07:51 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	Another interesting blade with some age. Though the greneng seem Balinese the other ricikan seem unusual to me, so perhaps this blade, like your other Bali dressed blade, has a different origin. Different pakem are known to have subtle differences, but according this diagram i don't think this is Dhapur Marak. There is no odo-odo for one thing and Marak seems to have a single sogokan, which your blade does not. Also, if this is a Balinese blade i am not sure Javanese dhapur apply. I am curious to see how others classify this keris.

18th December 2021, 08:41 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	I could be wrong, but i believe that mendak is an old East Jawa/Madura one. Could be a clue to the blade origin given the deep inward slant of the gandik. But again, others will probably have a better idea on this. What is the length of this blade?

18th December 2021, 09:38 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,894	I'd be inclined to accept this blade as Bali, or Lombok, I don't think I could fit it into Jawa classification. It is not any sort of major work, just a simple "every man's" blade. We don't really expect major identifying indicators in low level work. Mendak is Madura/East Jawa. The hilt should come off pretty easy with a bit of heat & patience, this process has been covered several times here in the past. It would probably restore reasonably well.