Swedish flintlock

Snowman · 16th September 2018, 08:24 AM

Good Morning!

Here are some photos of my Swedish flintlock musket.

This muscet is found here in Finland from "Savo-area" where border there between Sweden and Russia was locatet on those days. And Finland was part of Sweden. Whole border was about 1000km long-so not very easy to keep it on eye...

Then started Napolean wars and battle-area against Sweden and Russia was here in Finland .This gun was one of "Savo Prigade" muscet. War battled years 1808-09 and Swedish (Finnish) army loss that war and Finland came part of Russia.

Muscet is modell 1799 if I'm right (I got one older 1747 model with this,but it is a bit modified one). Caliber is about 18,5mm and lenght of muscet is ca. 145cm. And is heavy...

One example of Finnish history...

regards Markku

fernando · 16th September 2018, 12:35 PM

Congratulations for your musket, Markku.
A very interesting lock version of the early "doglock" type.

Pukka Bundook · 16th September 2018, 02:54 PM

Very nice musket Markku.

It appears in good order, and yes, the dog catch and rear sight are hall -marks of these muskets, and Swedish arms of that period in general.
We do see a few turn up in the UK as well, but how they got there I do not know!
I am pleased you found such a nice example. Will you use it at all?

Best wishes,
Richard.

Snowman · 16th September 2018, 04:31 PM

Hi all!

Yes-it is in full shooting condition-man who sold
it to me used it hunting only small of time ago.

And too use shooting "normal" situation-shows,weddings,partys an so on.

I have horn and all other "things" for use this.But
not tested yet...

Other older one I have I'm not sure how good it
is-but looks nice.It has a bit bigger bore- ca. 20mm
and is longer and heavier.

Many people moved to America/Canada from here 18'---19' century (and
beginning of 20' ) -they
went there by ship often via England and some of them sold their guns in UK harbours for having money?

Or perhaps musket are sold there from Sweden ? Who knows?

Even sold from America to UK-I belive Civil war weapons were
quite international -all used what found.And finnish origin people
was there in USA a lot of number.

regards Markku

Pukka Bundook · 16th September 2018, 10:39 PM

A very nice pair, Markku! They look very nice indeed.
I am please this one is in good working order!

I am interested also in the Finnish seal -hunting guns, if you ever run across any photographs... Often with the "Baltic" lock.

Very best wishes,
Richard.

Snowman · 17th September 2018, 06:34 AM

Hi Richard!

One way to see and read Finnish Seal-guns is first put
computer "www.google.fi"----then write word "hyljepyssy".

Youl'l find photos and other data of them-and using google translator
perhaps can have it your language.

One my friend owns seal gun made Mauser-rifle lock and it is now
caliber 7x54. Patrons have to make self to this.Pitty I don't have
photos.

Old ones made using all kind of parts-muskets...but some smiths
made whole rifle self.

One perhaps interesting history is when Krim war was active-came British warships to Finnish coast (we where part of Russia) -and one battle was front of Kokkola town .Day of battle was 7th of June 1854. Two British boats-HMS Vulturen and HMS Odin where those boats.

HMS Vulturen and HMS Odin send 9 barcasses -leaders ltn. Burton and ltn.Wise and full group of men on board. But they didn't know that there was waiting group of Finnish seal-hunter with guns back buildings.And those men really can shoot! When sealhunter started-Finnish soldiers too started with own guns and canons... So it happens that Finnish group branched one barcass and took British soldiers as prisoners. British navy loosed 1 barcass, 3 officers and 15 seaman died...3 officers and 31 seaman was captured.

Name of battle was "Halkokarin kahakka" and best seal hunter named Matts Kankkonen-he shot First Ltn. Garrington -got very high badge (St. Georgs Knight medal) from Russian Empire Nikolai 1.st- and Kokkonen was painted-painting is now in our president's "castle". Here are photos of that battle-borrowed from i-net.

regards Markku

Snowman · 17th September 2018, 06:41 AM

...One photo more (borroved from "IltaSanomat".)

* President Niinistö...Mr. Kankkonen and Prince William...

regards Markku

Pukka Bundook · 18th September 2018, 04:41 AM

Thank you for the search word for the sealing guns Markku! Very kind of you!
Thank you also for the good photographs!

Yes, I know the story of the battle you mention, and the accurate fire of the Finn seal hunters! They were very good with these primitive -looking rifles.
I had photos one time of the rifle used by Matts Kankkonen. A very good shot!
Mind, Simo Hayha maybe had him beat! :-)

I will send a link to a good friend back in England, who has a long time interest in the Crimean War.

Thank you for reminding me of it, as I had forgotten the name.

Very best wishes,
Richard.

16th September 2018, 08:24 AM	#1
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Swedish flintlock Good Morning! Here are some photos of my Swedish flintlock musket. This muscet is found here in Finland from "Savo-area" where border there between Sweden and Russia was locatet on those days. And Finland was part of Sweden. Whole border was about 1000km long-so not very easy to keep it on eye... Then started Napolean wars and battle-area against Sweden and Russia was here in Finland .This gun was one of "Savo Prigade" muscet. War battled years 1808-09 and Swedish (Finnish) army loss that war and Finland came part of Russia. Muscet is modell 1799 if I'm right (I got one older 1747 model with this,but it is a bit modified one). Caliber is about 18,5mm and lenght of muscet is ca. 145cm. And is heavy... One example of Finnish history... regards Markku Attached Images

16th September 2018, 04:31 PM	#4
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Hi all! Yes-it is in full shooting condition-man who sold it to me used it hunting only small of time ago. And too use shooting "normal" situation-shows,weddings,partys an so on. I have horn and all other "things" for use this.But not tested yet... Other older one I have I'm not sure how good it is-but looks nice.It has a bit bigger bore- ca. 20mm and is longer and heavier. Many people moved to America/Canada from here 18'---19' century (and beginning of 20' ) -they went there by ship often via England and some of them sold their guns in UK harbours for having money? Or perhaps musket are sold there from Sweden ? Who knows? Even sold from America to UK-I belive Civil war weapons were quite international -all used what found.And finnish origin people was there in USA a lot of number. regards Markku Attached Images

17th September 2018, 06:34 AM	#6
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Hi Richard! One way to see and read Finnish Seal-guns is first put computer "www.google.fi"----then write word "hyljepyssy". Youl'l find photos and other data of them-and using google translator perhaps can have it your language. One my friend owns seal gun made Mauser-rifle lock and it is now caliber 7x54. Patrons have to make self to this.Pitty I don't have photos. Old ones made using all kind of parts-muskets...but some smiths made whole rifle self. One perhaps interesting history is when Krim war was active-came British warships to Finnish coast (we where part of Russia) -and one battle was front of Kokkola town .Day of battle was 7th of June 1854. Two British boats-HMS Vulturen and HMS Odin where those boats. HMS Vulturen and HMS Odin send 9 barcasses -leaders ltn. Burton and ltn.Wise and full group of men on board. But they didn't know that there was waiting group of Finnish seal-hunter with guns back buildings.And those men really can shoot! When sealhunter started-Finnish soldiers too started with own guns and canons... So it happens that Finnish group branched one barcass and took British soldiers as prisoners. British navy loosed 1 barcass, 3 officers and 15 seaman died...3 officers and 31 seaman was captured. Name of battle was "Halkokarin kahakka" and best seal hunter named Matts Kankkonen-he shot First Ltn. Garrington -got very high badge (St. Georgs Knight medal) from Russian Empire Nikolai 1.st- and Kokkonen was painted-painting is now in our president's "castle". Here are photos of that battle-borrowed from i-net. regards Markku Attached Images

17th September 2018, 06:41 AM	#7
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	...One photo more (borroved from "IltaSanomat".) * President Niinistö...Mr. Kankkonen and Prince William... regards Markku Attached Images

16th September 2018, 12:35 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Congratulations for your musket, Markku. A very interesting lock version of the early "doglock" type.

16th September 2018, 02:54 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Very nice musket Markku. It appears in good order, and yes, the dog catch and rear sight are hall -marks of these muskets, and Swedish arms of that period in general. We do see a few turn up in the UK as well, but how they got there I do not know! I am pleased you found such a nice example. Will you use it at all? Best wishes, Richard.

16th September 2018, 10:39 PM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	A very nice pair, Markku! They look very nice indeed. I am please this one is in good working order! I am interested also in the Finnish seal -hunting guns, if you ever run across any photographs... Often with the "Baltic" lock. Very best wishes, Richard.

18th September 2018, 04:41 AM	#8
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Thank you for the search word for the sealing guns Markku! Very kind of you! Thank you also for the good photographs! Yes, I know the story of the battle you mention, and the accurate fire of the Finn seal hunters! They were very good with these primitive -looking rifles. I had photos one time of the rifle used by Matts Kankkonen. A very good shot! Mind, Simo Hayha maybe had him beat! :-) I will send a link to a good friend back in England, who has a long time interest in the Crimean War. Thank you for reminding me of it, as I had forgotten the name. Very best wishes, Richard.