9th September 2016, 07:02 PM | #1 |
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Ironmongery for comment
I found this small group of iron objects in England, earlier in the year and bought it mainly for the Athabascan dagger which I like. The dagger hilt is wrapped with cord over wood, which is probably a replacement ? The cord has the remains of a black substance, that could be the tar or resin used by sailors for ropes, rigging etc. I wonder if perhaps the dagger at least was owned by a seaman, perhaps from a whaler ?
The two blacksmith's ? tools are also interesting, does anyone recognize them and what they were used for ? Comments and possible I.D. are welcome. I am also posting this on the miscellaneous forum. |
9th September 2016, 07:08 PM | #2 |
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the pliers are a Cobblers Combination Pliers.
[edited]Here's a picture. Last edited by machinist; 9th September 2016 at 10:04 PM. |
9th September 2016, 09:24 PM | #3 |
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The dagger is from the Athabaskan tribe from the USA and Canada. It looks like it is made of steel instead of copper.
The hand wrap might be a replacement, or original to this if it is a later example. In any case the wrap is not traditional as far as I know. |
9th September 2016, 11:30 PM | #4 |
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Machinist is correct. The pliers are a common tool used by shoemakers. They are combination tools, with a hammer and pliers, and sometimes one of the handles has a "bent fork" at the end to aid in manipulating the leather pieces.
A quick search on eBay produced a number of inexpensive examples similar to yours. This style of tool has been around for hundreds of years although I think your example may be late 19th or early 20th C--but its hard to say. Your lot seems to be a collection of unrelated ironware, but I like the dagger a lot. Ian |
10th September 2016, 12:35 PM | #5 |
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Browsing the internet.. I see the curling hilt finials to my dagger are similar to those on some dagger and sword hilts in the European bronze and iron ages. Mere coincidence ?
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The dagger in question is from the Canadian section of North America. Here is a picture of one from Skinner Auctions and a link to one our threads on the forum: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18872 And sometimes these were made of iron, or recycled steel files. |
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13th September 2016, 03:01 AM | #8 |
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I would agree with José here. This definitely looks like a Northwest Native blade. Here's some discussion of one with a copper blade.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18874 |
1st November 2016, 03:16 PM | #9 |
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Thanks to those who input on this group of items. For interest, here is an image of the Athabascan dagger after cleaning.
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1st November 2016, 03:37 PM | #10 |
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Very very nice! You can see the artistic details better!
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1st November 2016, 06:36 PM | #11 |
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Great result and a very nice dagger!
Here a similar one in copper: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=tlingit Last edited by Sajen; 1st November 2016 at 06:38 PM. Reason: Add link |
2nd November 2016, 07:36 AM | #12 |
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Lucky you, that is really nice to have.
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