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galvano · 21st February 2009, 08:26 PM

hi
new keris today
is it good keris?
length of the blade 40 cm
thanks

Sajen · 22nd February 2009, 04:27 AM

Congrats,
very nice keris, seems original to me. But maybe based on the length of the blade not Java. Could be a Bali blade.

Regards,
sajen

Henk · 22nd February 2009, 09:42 AM

It is a very nice keris. Javanese. Dapur Ganesha or keris Ganesha named to the elephant. Very nice executed but not an old keris.
But i wouldn't be punished with such a keris.

Sajen · 22nd February 2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

It is a very nice keris. Javanese. Dapur Ganesha or keris Ganesha named to the elephant. Very nice executed but not an old keris.
But i wouldn't be punished with such a keris.

Hi Henk,
why you think that this keris isn't old?
Regards,
Detlef

David · 22nd February 2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Congrats,
very nice keris, seems original to me. But maybe based on the length of the blade not Java. Could be a Bali blade.

Well, if my conversion is correct that puts this blade at 15.7 inches. I wouldn't say that is too long for a Javanese blade. It doesn't seem to have a Balinese treatment to the blade surface either. I suppose Lombok is possible.

I don't think it is very old either. Seems at least into the 20th century. Of course better, sharper photos would be helpful as would seeing it with a proper stain.

galvano · 22nd February 2009, 04:32 PM

thanks for your appreciations.
others photos

Sajen · 22nd February 2009, 07:00 PM

Hello galvano,
a picture from the peksi will be helpful.
Regards,
sajen

Newsteel · 23rd February 2009, 01:53 AM

The greneng (ron dha) doesn't suggest it is Javanese. Close to Bali or Lombok to me. But I love this kind of sublime luks (waves).

Marcokeris · 23rd February 2009, 06:45 AM

IMO is from Bali and VERY VERY NICE. (I think is an old armonious blade)
Warangan?

David · 23rd February 2009, 02:33 PM

Thanks for the better pics Galvano.

Marco, i don't know what you mean by "armonious". Could you explain?
It is clear from the surface of this blade that it wasn't kept in a Balinese manner or the blade surface would be much smoother. I am leaning more towards Lombok where not all blades are polished. Of course it is in Javanese dress so perhaps it was in Jawa for a few years an had a bunch of Javanese washings.

galvano · 23rd February 2009, 07:15 PM

LENGTH 7,8 CM
DIAMETER 8 MM

Sajen · 23rd February 2009, 09:38 PM

Dear Galvano,
I am not an expert but the peksi shows that this keris have some age. You have to consider the different climate in Indonesia but a corrosion like this need some time.
Regards,
sajen

Henk · 24th February 2009, 12:46 AM

Sorry Sajen,

but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

Alam Shah · 24th February 2009, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsteel

The greneng (ron dha) doesn't suggest it is Javanese. Close to Bali or Lombok to me. But I love this kind of sublime luks (waves).

I agree with you bro, nice keris.. probably of Lombok origin.. love the elephant-works.. lovely 'luk kemba' blade form..

David · 24th February 2009, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Sorry Sajen,
but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

What i think the pesi does prove is that this is not a Javanese keris. Given the rough surface of the blade i would again hazzard the guess that this is a Lombok keris. I don't think the pesi proves recent manufacture. but i would remove that rust if i were you.

Marcokeris · 24th February 2009, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Thanks for the better pics Galvano.

Marco, i don't know what you mean by "armonious". Could you explain?
It is clear from the surface of this blade that it wasn't kept in a Balinese manner or the blade surface would be much smoother. I am leaning more towards Lombok where not all blades are polished. Of course it is in Javanese dress so perhaps it was in Jawa for a few years an had a bunch of Javanese washings.

David i want to say that IMO can be a little difficult to made a 5 luks keris in a fine well-according manner. Of course this is more valid for 3 luks keris. In fact is almost impossible to see at present days NEW keris with 3 luks ...and is rather difficult to see old blades that gratify my eyes for their harmoniousity when they have 3 luks (of course i'm speaking about only about my personal taste ).

David · 24th February 2009, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

David i want to say that IMO can be a little difficult to made a 5 luks keris in a fine well-according manner. Of course this is more valid for 3 luks keris. In fact is almost impossible to see at present days NEW keris with 3 luks ...and is rather difficult to see old blades that gratify my eyes for their harmoniousity when they have 3 luks (of course i'm speaking about only about my personal taste ).

OK, so what you are saying then is that you meant to write "harmonious" instead of "armonious"?

I do agree that this blade has a nice harmonious balance.

galvano · 24th February 2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Sorry Sajen,

but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

please Henk , I am not an expert
but why : peksi+ rust = new
thanks

Henk · 24th February 2009, 08:16 PM

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

David · 24th February 2009, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

Well, if a keris is well cared for i would say that there should never be any rust on the pesi at all, so i don't think that we can judge the age of a keris based on whether or nor there is deep set rust on the pesi or any part of the blade. That this rust is surface rust is a good thing and i would suggest once again that you clean it before it becomes a problem.

ferrylaki · 26th February 2009, 03:08 AM

I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris.
might be a recent made keris.

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 04:18 PM

Hello,
I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken.
Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion.
I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade.
It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade.
And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese.
Regards,
sajen

HiFi · 1st March 2009, 12:14 PM

Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum.

Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong.

Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process.

The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said.

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Sincerely,
Suryo

David · 1st March 2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiFi

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?
I am not convinced that this work is from Madura. The pesi seems consistent with those i have seen on Bali and Lombok keris. Can we possibly see a photo looking down on the gonjo.

HiFi · 1st March 2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?

Reference to the old version of the Ensiklopedi Keris, page 55, buntut urang is a kind of buntut cecak (urang=shrimp), which buntut cecak agreeing as the rearest part after the gandok part of the ganja by seeing from the bottom (not side seeing).

So, maybe buntut cecak has sub-definiton : buntut cecak and buntut urang.

Buntut urang has bolder and flat at the tip (like shrimp tail), another pointed tip known as buntut cecak.

galvano · 1st March 2009, 10:20 PM

hi all
For the specialist in the kriss.
I clean peksi?
I do not clean peksi?
Rust is hard and thick.
What I do ?

thanks

David · 1st March 2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galvano

hi all
For the specialist in the kriss.
I clean peksi?
I do not clean peksi?
Rust is hard and thick.
What I do ?

thanks

Yes Galvano, clean it, rust very bad!

It isn't a katana after all.

David · 1st March 2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiFi

Reference to the old version of the Ensiklopedi Keris, page 55, buntut urang is a kind of buntut cecak (urang=shrimp), which buntut cecak agreeing as the rearest part after the gandok part of the ganja by seeing from the bottom (not side seeing).

So, maybe buntut cecak has sub-definiton : buntut cecak and buntut urang.

Buntut urang has bolder and flat at the tip (like shrimp tail), another pointed tip known as buntut cecak.

Maybe Alan could explain this. In the gonjo diagram on his website buntut urang is simply the name given to the tail end of the gonjo.

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/kerisdiagram.html

kulbuntet · 4th March 2009, 11:53 PM

Rust is like a cancer on your keris, it eats and get worse.. and it takes away it engery til its isi and angsar is gone.. " left to a beter place than in the rusty keris ". You can use cocos water (iff posible let it get old cocos water, keep it in a jar for few weeks) to get the most of rust of. And if got it cleaned oil him regulary, i use most of time jasim oil.. be shure its pure oil!

21st February 2009, 08:26 PM	#1
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	today hi new keris today is it good keris? length of the blade 40 cm thanks Attached Images

22nd February 2009, 04:27 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Congrats, very nice keris, seems original to me. But maybe based on the length of the blade not Java. Could be a Bali blade. Regards, sajen Last edited by Sajen; 22nd February 2009 at 04:45 AM.

22nd February 2009, 04:32 PM	#6
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	photos thanks for your appreciations. others photos Attached Images

23rd February 2009, 07:15 PM	#11
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	peksi LENGTH 7,8 CM DIAMETER 8 MM Attached Images

26th February 2009, 03:08 AM	#21
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris. might be a recent made keris. Attached Images

22nd February 2009, 09:42 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It is a very nice keris. Javanese. Dapur Ganesha or keris Ganesha named to the elephant. Very nice executed but not an old keris. But i wouldn't be punished with such a keris.

22nd February 2009, 07:00 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello galvano, a picture from the peksi will be helpful. Regards, sajen

23rd February 2009, 01:53 AM	#8
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	The greneng (ron dha) doesn't suggest it is Javanese. Close to Bali or Lombok to me. But I love this kind of sublime luks (waves).

23rd February 2009, 06:45 AM	#9
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	IMO is from Bali and VERY VERY NICE. (I think is an old armonious blade) Warangan?

23rd February 2009, 02:33 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Thanks for the better pics Galvano. Marco, i don't know what you mean by "armonious". Could you explain? It is clear from the surface of this blade that it wasn't kept in a Balinese manner or the blade surface would be much smoother. I am leaning more towards Lombok where not all blades are polished. Of course it is in Javanese dress so perhaps it was in Jawa for a few years an had a bunch of Javanese washings.

23rd February 2009, 09:38 PM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Dear Galvano, I am not an expert but the peksi shows that this keris have some age. You have to consider the different climate in Indonesia but a corrosion like this need some time. Regards, sajen

24th February 2009, 12:46 AM	#13
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Sorry Sajen, but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

24th February 2009, 08:16 PM	#19
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I'm not an expert either............. Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

28th February 2009, 04:18 PM	#22
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello, I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken. Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion. I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade. It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade. And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese. Regards, sajen Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 28th February 2009 at 04:45 PM.

1st March 2009, 12:14 PM	#23
HiFi Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 11	Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum. Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong. Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process. The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said. Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too. Sincerely, Suryo

1st March 2009, 10:20 PM	#26
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	rust hi all For the specialist in the kriss. I clean peksi? I do not clean peksi? Rust is hard and thick. What I do ? thanks

4th March 2009, 11:53 PM	#29
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Rust is like a cancer on your keris, it eats and get worse.. and it takes away it engery til its isi and angsar is gone.. " left to a beter place than in the rusty keris ". You can use cocos water (iff posible let it get old cocos water, keep it in a jar for few weeks) to get the most of rust of. And if got it cleaned oil him regulary, i use most of time jasim oil.. be shure its pure oil!