keris for sharing and comment

semar · 3rd June 2011, 08:37 PM

this keris I have found the last days that I stay in djogyakarta
I think its a nice keris and the scabbards stil one the way for this keris

regards semar

kai · 4th June 2011, 12:18 AM

Suminep work?

The greneng seem to be inspired by Sumatran style.

Regards,
Kai

semar · 4th June 2011, 08:03 AM

no this is no madura work I`m sorry this is a java blade

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 4th June 2011, 08:39 AM

Semar, if you are certain that this is a Javanese blade, read no further, however, when I look at this blade I can see something that has some characteristics that have been rendered in a manner reminiscent of a Javanese blade, and a greneng that is most definitely not of any known Javanese style.

But if you're quite certain its Javanese, OK, end of story, its Javanese.

semar · 8th June 2011, 11:52 AM

I`m sorry for my leat reply
I have aske 2 peopel In djogya that cleaning keris
and the say the blade is javanees but I`m open for any comment

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2011, 12:01 PM

My opinion stands.

Others are equally entitled their own opinions.

GIO · 8th June 2011, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Suminep work?

The greneng seem to be inspired by Sumatran style.

Regards,
Kai

Yes, I agree. Very uncommon, the blade greneng is different from that on the ganja, which is more understandable.

Semar, thank you for sharing. Nice blade

David · 8th June 2011, 01:22 PM

Well, i assume we are looking at a contemporary keris. Please correct me if i am wrong. As Alan points out, this blade does not seem to fall into any known Javanese Pakem. But i have seen some very creative license applied to some modern keris, so i suppose it is possible this was made in Jawa and that technically a keris made in Jawa is a Javanese keris.

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2011, 03:01 PM

David, you're more generous than I am.

I cannot see a Javanese hand anywhere in this blade.

If it was made in Jawa, it was not made by Javanese person.

However, as I've already said:- all are entitled to their own opinions.

David · 8th June 2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, you're more generous than I am.

Yes, i am afraid that is just my generous nature...

I;m just trying to look at all sides of this. My first inclination is to suspect Madura as origin.

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2011, 01:56 AM

David, I haven't seen anything like this from Madura, nor as recent production from anywhere. Usually when you see something different that has come from Madura, you don't see one, you see a number. Semar has just obtained this in Jogja, and it could be that its a new creation, in which case, it is likely that I will see similar next time I go.

However, if it is not Madura work, it has come from somewhere outside Jawa, I have no doubt of that at all.

The greneng is something that simply does not exist in the Javanese lexicon.The other blade features have a very stiff look to them, they do not flow as is usual in Javanese work. It is difficult to comment on the material, because of the variations that can occur in the photographic process, however, if the photos are an accurate representation of colour and texture, this material certainly has the appearance of some of the material that comes out of Madura.

If we say a blade is Javanese, we then need to be able to classify it in broad terms, according to tangguh. If we do this we need to be able to support that classification.

It is absolutely impossible to attribute any Javanese tanguuh, of which I have knowledge, to this keris.

semar · 9th June 2011, 01:39 PM

thank you for al the comment
I don`t know of this blade is from java I can tel only
what 2 differend peopel tel me about this blad
but the inportend thing of all is that I like the blade
otherwis I don`t buy this one

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2011, 03:05 PM

and that, Semar, is the only valid reason to buy any keris:-

because you like it.

In this context, the comments of others do not matter one iota.

3rd June 2011, 08:37 PM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	keris for sharing and comment this keris I have found the last days that I stay in djogyakarta I think its a nice keris and the scabbards stil one the way for this keris regards semar Attached Images

4th June 2011, 12:18 AM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Suminep work? The greneng seem to be inspired by Sumatran style. Regards, Kai

4th June 2011, 08:03 AM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	no this is no madura work I`m sorry this is a java blade regards semar

4th June 2011, 08:39 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Semar, if you are certain that this is a Javanese blade, read no further, however, when I look at this blade I can see something that has some characteristics that have been rendered in a manner reminiscent of a Javanese blade, and a greneng that is most definitely not of any known Javanese style. But if you're quite certain its Javanese, OK, end of story, its Javanese.

8th June 2011, 11:52 AM	#5
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	I`m sorry for my leat reply I have aske 2 peopel In djogya that cleaning keris and the say the blade is javanees but I`m open for any comment regards semar

8th June 2011, 12:01 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	My opinion stands. Others are equally entitled their own opinions.

8th June 2011, 01:22 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Well, i assume we are looking at a contemporary keris. Please correct me if i am wrong. As Alan points out, this blade does not seem to fall into any known Javanese Pakem. But i have seen some very creative license applied to some modern keris, so i suppose it is possible this was made in Jawa and that technically a keris made in Jawa is a Javanese keris.

8th June 2011, 03:01 PM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	David, you're more generous than I am. I cannot see a Javanese hand anywhere in this blade. If it was made in Jawa, it was not made by Javanese person. However, as I've already said:- all are entitled to their own opinions.

9th June 2011, 01:56 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	David, I haven't seen anything like this from Madura, nor as recent production from anywhere. Usually when you see something different that has come from Madura, you don't see one, you see a number. Semar has just obtained this in Jogja, and it could be that its a new creation, in which case, it is likely that I will see similar next time I go. However, if it is not Madura work, it has come from somewhere outside Jawa, I have no doubt of that at all. The greneng is something that simply does not exist in the Javanese lexicon.The other blade features have a very stiff look to them, they do not flow as is usual in Javanese work. It is difficult to comment on the material, because of the variations that can occur in the photographic process, however, if the photos are an accurate representation of colour and texture, this material certainly has the appearance of some of the material that comes out of Madura. If we say a blade is Javanese, we then need to be able to classify it in broad terms, according to tangguh. If we do this we need to be able to support that classification. It is absolutely impossible to attribute any Javanese tanguuh, of which I have knowledge, to this keris.

9th June 2011, 01:39 PM	#12
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you for al the comment I don`t know of this blade is from java I can tel only what 2 differend peopel tel me about this blad but the inportend thing of all is that I like the blade otherwis I don`t buy this one regards semar

9th June 2011, 03:05 PM	#13
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	and that, Semar, is the only valid reason to buy any keris:- because you like it. In this context, the comments of others do not matter one iota.