A Time for Reflection.

Norman McCormick · 11th November 2018, 02:09 PM

In Memory of All.

silberschatzimsee · 11th November 2018, 02:49 PM

Was in Verdun 2 years ago. Very sad.

fernando · 11th November 2018, 03:06 PM

Remember La Lyz (April 1918). The greatest Portuguese military disaster since the battle of Ksar-el-Kebir in 1578 !

corrado26 · 11th November 2018, 04:08 PM

A Time for Reflection? This you have to tell the world wide weapons industry which feeds lots of wars around the world increasingly.

corrado26

fernando · 11th November 2018, 05:04 PM

Haven't you got it wrong, Corrado ?

ariel · 11th November 2018, 05:48 PM

Wars are not made by manufacturers of weapons.
They are made by politicians, wounded national/religious ambitions and pure greed. To eliminate wars one would have to transform the entire mankind into ethereal angels.

Which may happen after the next World War.....

Norman McCormick · 11th November 2018, 08:43 PM

Perhaps this is Neither the Time Nor the Place!

kahnjar1 · 11th November 2018, 10:17 PM

11.11.11 WE WILL REMEMBER THEM

ariel · 12th November 2018, 05:38 PM

Perhaps, in retrospect, it was the most consequential war: millions of dead for no good reason except for the German wish to become an European hegemon and the unwillingness of Britain and France to allow it, 4 Empires destroyed, peculiarly fratricidal one ( German, Russian and British rulers were cousins), and the ultimate results was the mutation of Germany into a Nazi state and of Russia into a Stalin's Gulag with the horrifying WWII being an inevitable outcome occuring only less than 20 years after " the war to end all wars"....

We are still living with the consequences of the disastrous decisions of European rulers in August 1914....

fernando · 12th November 2018, 06:51 PM

Watch how this develops !

Battara · 13th November 2018, 04:20 AM

I always thought it was a crazy and senseless war. But I also admit that I am on this side of that world culture.

The soldiers did their jobs and best.

kahnjar1 · 13th November 2018, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Perhaps, in retrospect, it was the most consequential war: millions of dead for no good reason except for the German wish to become an European hegemon and the unwillingness of Britain and France to allow it, 4 Empires destroyed, peculiarly fratricidal one ( German, Russian and British rulers were cousins), and the ultimate results was the mutation of Germany into a Nazi state and of Russia into a Stalin's Gulag with the horrifying WWII being an inevitable outcome occuring only less than 20 years after " the war to end all wars"....

We are still living with the consequences of the disastrous decisions of European rulers in August 1914....

Not quite as simple a cause as described by ariel but rather than re state what Wiki says, here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I As you will read, there were several events which eventually lead to the wider conflict.
Stu

fernando · 13th November 2018, 12:31 PM

Well folks, i don't know of any war that is not senseless, crazy and cruel. As i see it, there are no senseful, wise or merciful ones. In other words, there are no good wars. But of course, these are perspectives. However we can tell that Norman's perspective in opening this thread is to remember the date of the 1st. Great War ephemeries as a sad event. Dissecting its political ingredients is a problematic that may divert to a path of different kind, hence worthy of discussion in thematic warfare venues.

Here is the monument in my hometown.

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Jim McDougall · 21st November 2018, 02:21 PM

While not wishing to belabor this most poignant thread and topic, I have regretted not making an entry here earlier. It is a delicate subject, and as has been noted the debates on war are far beyond the purpose here.What is key is to remember those who answered the call to duty and most importantly, those who never returned.

I watched a most moving film last night, "The Water Diviner", starring Russell Crowe. It is about an Australian father whose sons were lost in the tragedy at Gallipoli in WWI, and his desperate quest to find their remains and bring them home. It portrays the anquish of loved ones as they not only suffer loss, but the need for closure.

We must never forget them, all who were lost, regardless of the specific war, battle, event, or even nationality.....may they rest in peace.

Norman McCormick · 21st November 2018, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

We must never forget them, all who were lost, regardless of the specific war, battle, event, or even nationality.....may they rest in peace.

Sentiments entirely in accord with the original post.

Thank you Jim.

kahnjar1 · 21st November 2018, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

While not wishing to belabor this most poignant thread and topic, I have regretted not making an entry here earlier. It is a delicate subject, and as has been noted the debates on war are far beyond the purpose here.What is key is to remember those who answered the call to duty and most importantly, those who never returned.

I watched a most moving film last night, "The Water Diviner", starring Russell Crowe. It is about an Australian father whose sons were lost in the tragedy at Gallipoli in WWI, and his desperate quest to find their remains and bring them home. It portrays the anquish of loved ones as they not only suffer loss, but the need for closure.

We must never forget them, all who were lost, regardless of the specific war, battle, event, or even nationality.....may they rest in peace.

Hi Jim,
I also have seen The Water Diviner....a very sobering subject, and IMHO a very well done movie, showing the horror of Galipoli.
Stu

11th November 2018, 02:09 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	A Time for Reflection. In Memory of All. Attached Images

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Well folks, i don't know of any war that is not senseless, crazy and cruel. As i see it, there are no senseful, wise or merciful ones. In other words, there are no good wars. But of course, these are perspectives. However we can tell that Norman's perspective in opening this thread is to remember the date of the 1st. Great War ephemeries as a sad event. Dissecting its political ingredients is a problematic that may divert to a path of different kind, hence worthy of discussion in thematic warfare venues. Here is the monument in my hometown. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 13th November 2018 at 08:24 PM.

21st November 2018, 02:21 PM	#14
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,957	While not wishing to belabor this most poignant thread and topic, I have regretted not making an entry here earlier. It is a delicate subject, and as has been noted the debates on war are far beyond the purpose here.What is key is to remember those who answered the call to duty and most importantly, those who never returned. I watched a most moving film last night, "The Water Diviner", starring Russell Crowe. It is about an Australian father whose sons were lost in the tragedy at Gallipoli in WWI, and his desperate quest to find their remains and bring them home. It portrays the anquish of loved ones as they not only suffer loss, but the need for closure. We must never forget them, all who were lost, regardless of the specific war, battle, event, or even nationality.....may they rest in peace. Attached Images

11th November 2018, 02:49 PM	#2
silberschatzimsee Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 90	Was in Verdun 2 years ago. Very sad.

11th November 2018, 03:06 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Remember La Lyz (April 1918). The greatest Portuguese military disaster since the battle of Ksar-el-Kebir in 1578 !

11th November 2018, 04:08 PM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	A Time for Reflection? This you have to tell the world wide weapons industry which feeds lots of wars around the world increasingly. corrado26

11th November 2018, 05:04 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Haven't you got it wrong, Corrado ?

11th November 2018, 05:48 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Wars are not made by manufacturers of weapons. They are made by politicians, wounded national/religious ambitions and pure greed. To eliminate wars one would have to transform the entire mankind into ethereal angels. Which may happen after the next World War.....

12th November 2018, 05:38 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Perhaps, in retrospect, it was the most consequential war: millions of dead for no good reason except for the German wish to become an European hegemon and the unwillingness of Britain and France to allow it, 4 Empires destroyed, peculiarly fratricidal one ( German, Russian and British rulers were cousins), and the ultimate results was the mutation of Germany into a Nazi state and of Russia into a Stalin's Gulag with the horrifying WWII being an inevitable outcome occuring only less than 20 years after " the war to end all wars".... We are still living with the consequences of the disastrous decisions of European rulers in August 1914....

12th November 2018, 06:51 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Watch how this develops !

13th November 2018, 04:20 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	I always thought it was a crazy and senseless war. But I also admit that I am on this side of that world culture. The soldiers did their jobs and best.