MORO/MALAY SWORD - SUNDANG

mykeris · 13th October 2012, 12:21 PM

sharing this sword with you all,Blade length From Ganja to blade end 21 inches... happy viewing...Mykeris

David · 13th October 2012, 08:40 PM

I'd say Malay, not Moro...

Sajen · 13th October 2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I'd say Malay, not Moro...

Agree! What are the spots on the blade?

mykeris · 14th October 2012, 04:22 AM

thanks David, I thought so but unfortunately unable to identify its real country of origin, appreciate if someone could help. I took almost a week to remove the 'stubborn' rust. Sajen: the spots were remains of lime juice when performing the finishing. I purposely let some remains of 'weak' rust on the blade to show' 'feel" and age.

David · 14th October 2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

thanks David, I thought so but unfortunately unable to identify its real country of origin, appreciate if someone could help. I took almost a week to remove the 'stubborn' rust. Sajen: the spots were remains of lime juice when performing the finishing. I purposely let some remains of 'weak' rust on the blade to show' 'feel" and age.

I would strongly suggest the removal of ALL rust.

mykeris · 14th October 2012, 05:35 AM

Yes David, thats very wise.

Battara · 14th October 2012, 07:09 AM

I agree with the Malay attribution. Interesting copper hilt.

Indianajones · 14th October 2012, 01:12 PM

Hi all, the blade may be made corrosionless at the moment, but do 'we' find the blade nice as it is? Personally I find it a moonlandscape and it was probably put in very strong acid to have this pitting; better to have some brown old ruststains her n there than this . . . .result.

Polishing it again -quite a job- would be the only solution to lift its beauty up to some extention is my very personal opinion.
Am probably the only one thinking this way, but I just got so very sad when seeing this piece!
Greets

Sajen · 14th October 2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi all, the blade may be made corrosionless at the moment, but do 'we' find the blade nice as it is? Personally I find it a moonlandscape and it was probably put in very strong acid to have this pitting; better to have some brown old ruststains her n there than this . . . .result.

Polishing it again -quite a job- would be the only solution to lift its beauty up to some extention is my very personal opinion.
Am probably the only one thinking this way, but I just got so very sad when seeing this piece!
Greets

Hi Wouter,

I think that Mykeris has cleaned the blade with pressed lemon juice and that the surface of the blade has been already before not smooth since lemon juice isn't a strong acid. But agree with you that polishing would be indicated.

Regards,

Detlef

mykeris · 14th October 2012, 03:04 PM

Initially, the blade was full of thick rust al over . I used a lot of coconut juices to weaken the rust. Those moon surfaces were caused by the horibble rust due to years of intimate existence over the blade. The lime juices were used just to clean up and and add a whitish finishing effect to the surface of the blade. I hope everything will look ok when the blade is stained using old sour coconut water. The effect of this will be a brownish color blade just like what we see on old Malay blades. No acid or WARANGAN will be used for this purpose. I am planning to clear all rusts as advised by David to avoid future 'mooning' of the surface. Really appreciate all your views and advice. ....

Sajen · 14th October 2012, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykeris

Initially, the blade was full of thick rust al over . I used a lot of coconut juices to weaken the rust. Those moon surfaces were caused by the horibble rust due to years of intimate existence over the blade. The lime juices were used just to clean up and and add a whitish finishing effect to the surface of the blade. I hope everything will look ok when the blade is stained using old sour coconut water. The effect of this will be a brownish color blade just like what we see on old Malay blades. No acid or WARANGAN will be used for this purpose. I am planning to clear all rusts as advised by David to avoid future 'mooning' of the surface. Really appreciate all your views and advice. ....

Understand now.

Agree to remove all rust but think a little bit polish also wouldn't be wrong before etching with sour coconut water.
Please keep us updated with this blade. Can you show us pictures from the scabbard?

Regards,

Detlef

mykeris · 14th October 2012, 03:58 PM

Sundang blade before cleaning and after cleaning. No scabbard Detlef..will find one.

CharlesS · 14th October 2012, 06:15 PM

I agree with the Malay sundang attribution...I'm even wondering if at some point the blade was acid washed like a keris.

mykeris · 17th October 2012, 04:01 PM

Final Finishing, appreciate if somebody could guess country of its origin: malay Riau? malay Sulawesi? perhaps Malay Patani..? Could we term it as a Malay Sudang Malela? I dont think so because its criteria differs of a Malela. Perhaps a Sundang Carita Blade due to its triple fullers from its base to blade end. It will be great if someone could post some samples which are similiar or almost similar for comparative purposes. tq in advance..

my keris.

13th October 2012, 12:21 PM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	MORO/MALAY SWORD - SUNDANG sharing this sword with you all,Blade length From Ganja to blade end 21 inches... happy viewing...Mykeris Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 13th October 2012 at 01:26 PM.

14th October 2012, 03:58 PM	#12
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Sundang blade before cleaning and after cleaning. No scabbard Detlef..will find one. Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 14th October 2012 at 04:17 PM.

17th October 2012, 04:01 PM	#14
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Final Finishing, appreciate if somebody could guess country of its origin: malay Riau? malay Sulawesi? perhaps Malay Patani..? Could we term it as a Malay Sudang Malela? I dont think so because its criteria differs of a Malela. Perhaps a Sundang Carita Blade due to its triple fullers from its base to blade end. It will be great if someone could post some samples which are similiar or almost similar for comparative purposes. tq in advance.. my keris. Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 17th October 2012 at 04:19 PM.

13th October 2012, 08:40 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,122	I'd say Malay, not Moro...

14th October 2012, 04:22 AM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	thanks David, I thought so but unfortunately unable to identify its real country of origin, appreciate if someone could help. I took almost a week to remove the 'stubborn' rust. Sajen: the spots were remains of lime juice when performing the finishing. I purposely let some remains of 'weak' rust on the blade to show' 'feel" and age.

14th October 2012, 05:35 AM	#6
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Yes David, thats very wise.

14th October 2012, 07:09 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I agree with the Malay attribution. Interesting copper hilt.

14th October 2012, 01:12 PM	#8
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi all, the blade may be made corrosionless at the moment, but do 'we' find the blade nice as it is? Personally I find it a moonlandscape and it was probably put in very strong acid to have this pitting; better to have some brown old ruststains her n there than this . . . .result. Polishing it again -quite a job- would be the only solution to lift its beauty up to some extention is my very personal opinion. Am probably the only one thinking this way, but I just got so very sad when seeing this piece! Greets

14th October 2012, 03:04 PM	#10
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Initially, the blade was full of thick rust al over . I used a lot of coconut juices to weaken the rust. Those moon surfaces were caused by the horibble rust due to years of intimate existence over the blade. The lime juices were used just to clean up and and add a whitish finishing effect to the surface of the blade. I hope everything will look ok when the blade is stained using old sour coconut water. The effect of this will be a brownish color blade just like what we see on old Malay blades. No acid or WARANGAN will be used for this purpose. I am planning to clear all rusts as advised by David to avoid future 'mooning' of the surface. Really appreciate all your views and advice. ....

14th October 2012, 06:15 PM	#13
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	I agree with the Malay sundang attribution...I'm even wondering if at some point the blade was acid washed like a keris.