Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 26th March 2023, 05:18 AM   #1
tanaruz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 267
Default BARUNG REBIRTH 2

Hello,

This is the 2nd barung (of 3) which we have restored. It was bought together with the Barung rebirth 1- with no scabbard and hilt.

The new scabbard and hilt was made by another artisan (beside the one who made the scabbard/hilt of barung #1) who's also in Jolo:

Circa: late 19th century-present
Kastil type/ laminated

OAL: 24 inches/ blade: 15.75 inches
Hilt(new): made from BALU hardwood (don't know the English name for this type of wood). With braided rings (Pamo material). With ferrule made of brass.

Scabbard: made from teakwood (jati- in Tausug).

Enjoy,

Yves
Attached Images
   
tanaruz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 01:30 AM   #2
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,197
Default

Hi Yves,

Another nicely executed dress for this old Moro blade. You have found some very good carvers! Does the scabbard have a central ridge or is it flat?
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 04:14 PM   #3
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,766
Default

Very nicely done! Good to know that there are still people who are skilled carvers.

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 05:39 PM   #4
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Default

Quote:
Does the scabbard have a central ridge or is it flat?
It seems to be evenly rounded - possibly lentil-like cross-section, Ian.
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 05:43 PM   #5
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Red face

Quote:
Good to know that there are still people who are skilled carvers.
I agree with Ian and Detlef that carving skill still seems to be alive and well. I'd really love them to go back to traditional carving styles from before the 20th century though! Any chance to make this happen by supplying enough genuine examples? Will pics from all angles possibly do?

Regards,
Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 05:51 PM   #6
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Cool

Hello Yves,

Quote:
The new scabbard and hilt was made by another artisan (beside the one who made the scabbard/hilt of barung #1) who's also in Jolo
I seem to fathom some mix of influences including Tausug and Sama traditions here.

Any chance to politely enquire about the familial background and professional influences of all these different carvers? I feel this might help to understand the development of extant carving traditions?

Regards,
Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th March 2023, 08:08 PM   #7
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,766
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kai View Post
I'd really love them to go back to traditional carving styles from before the 20th century though! Any chance to make this happen by supplying enough genuine examples? Will pics from all angles possibly do?
Yes, this would be great! I have two incomplete hilts!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th March 2023, 02:53 AM   #8
tanaruz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 267
Default BARUNG REBIRTH 2

Hello,

1) scabbard: evenly-rounded, lentil-like cross section;

2) it is very much possible to have these carvers do any design (before the 20th century, etc). Just send some pics and they will do their best. That's where I got the designs for the 3 barungs. ha ha ha

Options:

a) you can send the picture/s- and they will make the the hilt (and scabbard). If you cannot send the barung, kris,etc. you can trace it in a white cardboard and send it to me;

b) or you can send the entire sword to my place in Manila and I will forward it to them in Jolo.

Notes:
sending of blades from an international origin to Manila is not a problem(in my experience). Sending them back might be a challenge (although I have seen other bladesmiths here sending them thru DHL to the US). But I haven't tried it yet.

Let me know. I'd love to assist in making your swords complete.

Saludos,

Yves
tanaruz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th March 2023, 05:07 PM   #9
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,766
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tanaruz View Post
Just send some pics and they will do their best. That's where I got the designs for the 3 barungs. ha ha ha

Options:

a) you can send the picture/s- and they will make the the hilt (and scabbard). If you cannot send the barung, kris,etc. you can trace it in a white cardboard and send it to me;

b) or you can send the entire sword to my place in Manila and I will forward it to them in Jolo.

Notes:
sending of blades from an international origin to Manila is not a problem(in my experience). Sending them back might be a challenge (although I have seen other bladesmiths here sending them thru DHL to the US). But I haven't tried it yet.

Let me know. I'd love to assist in making your swords complete.
Hi Yves,

Better let us speak via pm or mail about this! But thank you for the kind offer!

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th March 2023, 08:36 PM   #10
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Default

Hello Yves,

Thanks for your kind offer!


Quote:
1) scabbard: evenly-rounded, lentil-like cross section;

2) it is very much possible to have these carvers do any design (before the 20th century, etc). Just send some pics and they will do their best. That's where I got the designs for the 3 barungs.
While the carving certainly exhibits good skill, I beg to differ regarding the final product:
  • The hilt and scabbard of #2 are clearly based on 20th century style (well after the turn of the century, indeed).
  • While #1 is based on 19th century construction, the carving details are off, I'm afraid.

Really sticking to traditional designs may well be possible. However, it's not easy adapting to the flow of lines of several cultures and switch between them upon request. Most likely it will need serious efforts to gain experience and honing skills by fine-tuning design in several iterations. Such a project will need the willingness to fund a number of attempts as well as the willingness to discuss & learn.

I'm happy to provide advice and am looking forward to discussing results of such attempts. The ergonomics of the old styles feel so much nicer!

Regards,
Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.