Sword with a guard for comments

Elmereya · 11th March 2021, 10:28 PM

Good afternoon, please help in attributing this sword.
length 86 cm, on the hilt there are traces of the lost "palyukh" and protection of fingers, in the large ring of the guard, a furrow from the lost shield is visible, the handle tree has not been preserved.
I would be very grateful for your opinions.
Respectfully ...

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mariusgmioc · 12th March 2021, 02:03 PM

16th century side-sword (spada da lato).

Now comes the problem: where from?!

Maybe North Italy?!

Elmereya · 12th March 2021, 04:07 PM

thank you for your answer.
probably this is the development of the sword like in this engraving?
with respect ...

ulfberth · 12th March 2021, 05:58 PM

As Marius said 16th c, late 16th c probably North Italian, with what I think is an older blade.
This is not uncommon at all in these swords and here it's done during working life.
Good preserved older blades being remounted in 16th c arsenals in newer type of guards was common practise and before a campaign even more so.
The sword seems to be acid cleaned, the grip replaced, thumb ring lost and guard plate is missing, given ist condition is all quite normal.
kind regards
Ulfberth

Elmereya · 12th March 2021, 07:42 PM

thank you very much, very detailed and understandable, thank you.
Best regards, elmereya

midelburgo · 16th March 2021, 10:23 PM

I have seen that sort of quillions often in Swedish swords. The guard with two large rings is common in those. Sometimes associated to olive-like pommels. Lets see if I find some pictures.

Elmereya · 17th March 2021, 07:58 AM

good afternoon, thank you for your attention to the topic, and photos of these magnificent swords.
with respect

11th March 2021, 10:28 PM	#1
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	Sword with a guard for comments Good afternoon, please help in attributing this sword. length 86 cm, on the hilt there are traces of the lost "palyukh" and protection of fingers, in the large ring of the guard, a furrow from the lost shield is visible, the handle tree has not been preserved. I would be very grateful for your opinions. Respectfully ... . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 12th March 2021 at 09:13 AM. Reason: Translated from Russian

12th March 2021, 04:07 PM	#3
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	thank you for your answer. probably this is the development of the sword like in this engraving? with respect ... Attached Images Last edited by Elmereya; 12th March 2021 at 04:25 PM.

16th March 2021, 10:23 PM	#6
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 257	I have seen that sort of quillions often in Swedish swords. The guard with two large rings is common in those. Sometimes associated to olive-like pommels. Lets see if I find some pictures. Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; 16th March 2021 at 10:34 PM.

12th March 2021, 02:03 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	16th century side-sword (spada da lato). Now comes the problem: where from?! Maybe North Italy?!

12th March 2021, 05:58 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	As Marius said 16th c, late 16th c probably North Italian, with what I think is an older blade. This is not uncommon at all in these swords and here it's done during working life. Good preserved older blades being remounted in 16th c arsenals in newer type of guards was common practise and before a campaign even more so. The sword seems to be acid cleaned, the grip replaced, thumb ring lost and guard plate is missing, given ist condition is all quite normal. kind regards Ulfberth

12th March 2021, 07:42 PM	#5
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	thank you very much, very detailed and understandable, thank you. Best regards, elmereya

17th March 2021, 07:58 AM	#7
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	good afternoon, thank you for your attention to the topic, and photos of these magnificent swords. with respect