Keris Coteng

maxbliss888 · 29th May 2015, 04:56 PM

Coteng

Can anyone enlighten how old is the Keris?

maxbliss888 · 29th May 2015, 04:57 PM

More photos

maxbliss888 · 29th May 2015, 05:27 PM

Before and after polish

David · 29th May 2015, 06:35 PM

Nice looking keris coteng dress Max. I must admit that keris from this area are not my strong suit, but i do recognize this as being a good old example of this rather rare form. I will leave it to someone better versed in this area to try to pinpoint a date for you, but it has always been my impression (perhaps wrongly so) that the coteng was a pre-cursor to the tajong hilt style. Therefore i would imagine that old versions of it (as opposed to ones recreated in contemporary times) should have a reasonable amount of age. Of course, you don't show us the blade here which could be older than this dress, but if i had to guess i would probably place this at least as old as late 18th to early 19th century.

maxbliss888 · 30th May 2015, 04:54 AM

Hi David!

Enclosed photo of the Keris before cleaning

maxbliss888 · 31st May 2015, 02:43 PM

Another Coteng

maxbliss888 · 31st May 2015, 02:45 PM

Content 3

maxbliss888 · 31st May 2015, 02:46 PM

Coteng1

maxbliss888 · 1st June 2015, 11:44 AM

The various sizes

maxbliss888 · 1st June 2015, 11:44 AM

More photos

Sajen · 1st June 2015, 02:48 PM

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OMG, from where you obtain all the Cotengs? I looking since years for a Coteng for my own collection. Great colletion!

Regards,
Detlef

maxbliss888 · 2nd June 2015, 02:59 PM

Thanks.

I am currently working and staying in Thailand which made it easier to get in touch with these.

maxbliss888 · 2nd June 2015, 03:02 PM

I have thought that the length of the Coteng is often short. However, I was wrong as there are some longer one...

maxbliss888 · 3rd June 2015, 08:14 AM

Close up

maxbliss888 · 3rd June 2015, 04:42 PM

I was told that the wooden Coteng Hulu are older then the silver one. Any comments?

maxbliss888 · 3rd June 2015, 05:13 PM

This is another example..

Sajen · 4th June 2015, 03:34 PM

I think that the wooden ones can be old as silver ones, you will have by both newer and older ones and think that it is mainly the form where you can see the age of the hilt.
Attached is my Coteng hilt, I think that this is an old form.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 4th June 2015, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maxbliss888

I was told that the wooden Coteng Hulu are older then the silver one. Any comments?

This is not really my area of keris study, but this hilt you show in post #15 looks closer to the tajong form than the coteng form. There is probably some cross-over somewhere. Perhaps some of our Malay collectors will chime in on this.

Sajen · 4th June 2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David

This is not really my area of keris study, but this hilt you show in post #15 looks closer to the tajong form than the coteng form. There is probably some cross-over somewhere. Perhaps some of our Malay collectors will chime in on this.

Hello David,

a tajong hilt would have a beard, the shown hilt don't has one so I think that it is indeed a coteng hilt but a later one IMO.

Regards,
Detlef

maxbliss888 · 4th June 2015, 05:09 PM

More close up

maxbliss888 · 4th June 2015, 05:14 PM

Another close up photos for sharing

David · 4th June 2015, 06:09 PM

Max, for a guy who only just discovered keris and has only recently taken up the "hobby" you sure do seem to have collected a fairly large amount of relatively rare keris forms is a rather short period of time. Given your neophyte status, how do you choose these keris for your collection? Do you have someone to help guide your purchases?

maxbliss888 · 5th June 2015, 06:17 AM

Hi David,

I am new to the hobby of vintage Keris and I was collecting mainly vintage watches before. I come across the Keris by chance and i find myself asking the question why I have no knowledge of the Keris around me even though I am an Asian living in Asia?

My plan originally is to only focus on Keris from Thailand (since I am currently working and staying in Thailand). Being able to move around the countries has allowed me the opportunities to explore the small regions and towns in search of these. As I am not familiar with the age of the Old vintage Keris, I will have to rely on a few Thai that I have known to help identify. As there are so many types of Keris from the region and the complexities, I though it will be a good idea just to focus on the Tajjong and Coteng...plus the fact that cash is limited and I cannot buy everything...

My journey of collecting Keris has been an interesting one especially the waiting period from seeing a photos of the Keris to touching the actual plus exploration of the country.

Even though these Thai Keris are from the Southern Thai, I have seen a few in the Northern Chiangmai region as well.

Thanks for the forum help in enlightening and knowledege sharing

maxbliss888 · 5th June 2015, 08:09 AM

Some shots ..

maxbliss888 · 7th June 2015, 11:56 AM

Coteng from Southern Thailand

David · 9th June 2015, 03:26 PM

One thing i have to say, strictly from a personal perspective, is that while this dress form is attractive and exotic i have always found the blades they contain within rather disappointing. My personal take on the keris and keris collecting is that it is the blade that is the heart and soul of the keris. If the blade doesn't grab me no amount of fancy dress is enough to draw me to it for very long. Has anyone seen examples of the coteng form that contain any blades of particular quality?

Rick · 9th June 2015, 03:57 PM

There may be one somewhere in this hoard of kerises Max has showered us with, but he seems reluctant to show us any close-ups of their blades .

maxbliss888 · 9th June 2015, 04:19 PM

I like the history and authenticity of vintage Keris. As many of these Keris have been passed down by generations in harsh physical environment, I reckon that that's how some of the Keris ended up,...

Photo of close up

maxbliss888 · 9th June 2015, 04:21 PM

Sorry about the photo quality as thee are limitation on the size of photos and I have to compressed it in order to load it up....

Not sure why sometimes I can post a bigger size photo and sometimes it get smaller..

maxbliss888 · 9th June 2015, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

One thing i have to say, strictly from a personal perspective, is that while this dress form is attractive and exotic i have always found the blades they contain within rather disappointing. My personal take on the keris and keris collecting is that it is the blade that is the heart and soul of the keris. If the blade doesn't grab me no amount of fancy dress is enough to draw me to it for very long. Has anyone seen examples of the coteng form that contain any blades of particular quality?

Yes, somehow, the blade in the Coteng seems to be disappointing then the other Keris. However, it is also a challenge to be able to find these antiques keris in excellent conditions. Moreover, IMHO, the attractiveness of the Coteng lies in its Hulu design.. Versus the other keris...

29th May 2015, 04:57 PM	#2
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris More photos Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Cleaning Before and after polish Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris coteng Hi David! Enclosed photo of the Keris before cleaning Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng 2 Another Coteng Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng3 Content 3 Attached Images

29th May 2015, 04:56 PM	#1
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Coteng Coteng Can anyone enlighten how old is the Keris? Attached Images

29th May 2015, 06:35 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	Nice looking keris coteng dress Max. I must admit that keris from this area are not my strong suit, but i do recognize this as being a good old example of this rather rare form. I will leave it to someone better versed in this area to try to pinpoint a date for you, but it has always been my impression (perhaps wrongly so) that the coteng was a pre-cursor to the tajong hilt style. Therefore i would imagine that old versions of it (as opposed to ones recreated in contemporary times) should have a reasonable amount of age. Of course, you don't show us the blade here which could be older than this dress, but if i had to guess i would probably place this at least as old as late 18th to early 19th century.

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng1 Coteng1 Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng in various sizes The various sizes Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng More photos Attached Images Last edited by maxbliss888; 1st June 2015 at 11:45 AM. Reason: Upload photos

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Thanks. I am currently working and staying in Thailand which made it easier to get in touch with these.

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng length versus Tajong I have thought that the length of the Coteng is often short. However, I was wrong as there are some longer one... Attached Images Last edited by maxbliss888; 2nd June 2015 at 03:03 PM. Reason: Edit heading

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng hulu Close up Attached Images

3rd June 2015, 04:42 PM	#15
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Wooden Coteng I was told that the wooden Coteng Hulu are older then the silver one. Any comments? Attached Images

3rd June 2015, 05:13 PM	#16
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng wooden hulu This is another example.. Attached Images

4th June 2015, 03:34 PM	#17
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	I think that the wooden ones can be old as silver ones, you will have by both newer and older ones and think that it is mainly the form where you can see the age of the hilt. Attached is my Coteng hilt, I think that this is an old form. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

4th June 2015, 05:09 PM	#20
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Wooden Coteng More close up Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Wooden Coteng close up Another close up photos for sharing Attached Images

4th June 2015, 06:09 PM	#22
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	Max, for a guy who only just discovered keris and has only recently taken up the "hobby" you sure do seem to have collected a fairly large amount of relatively rare keris forms is a rather short period of time. Given your neophyte status, how do you choose these keris for your collection? Do you have someone to help guide your purchases?

5th June 2015, 06:17 AM	#23
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Hi David, I am new to the hobby of vintage Keris and I was collecting mainly vintage watches before. I come across the Keris by chance and i find myself asking the question why I have no knowledge of the Keris around me even though I am an Asian living in Asia? My plan originally is to only focus on Keris from Thailand (since I am currently working and staying in Thailand). Being able to move around the countries has allowed me the opportunities to explore the small regions and towns in search of these. As I am not familiar with the age of the Old vintage Keris, I will have to rely on a few Thai that I have known to help identify. As there are so many types of Keris from the region and the complexities, I though it will be a good idea just to focus on the Tajjong and Coteng...plus the fact that cash is limited and I cannot buy everything... My journey of collecting Keris has been an interesting one especially the waiting period from seeing a photos of the Keris to touching the actual plus exploration of the country. Even though these Thai Keris are from the Southern Thai, I have seen a few in the Northern Chiangmai region as well. Thanks for the forum help in enlightening and knowledege sharing

5th June 2015, 08:09 AM	#24
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Wooden coteng Some shots .. Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Conteng Coteng from Southern Thailand Attached Images

9th June 2015, 03:26 PM	#26
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	One thing i have to say, strictly from a personal perspective, is that while this dress form is attractive and exotic i have always found the blades they contain within rather disappointing. My personal take on the keris and keris collecting is that it is the blade that is the heart and soul of the keris. If the blade doesn't grab me no amount of fancy dress is enough to draw me to it for very long. Has anyone seen examples of the coteng form that contain any blades of particular quality?

9th June 2015, 03:57 PM	#27
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	There may be one somewhere in this hoard of kerises Max has showered us with, but he seems reluctant to show us any close-ups of their blades .

9th June 2015, 04:19 PM	#28
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris I like the history and authenticity of vintage Keris. As many of these Keris have been passed down by generations in harsh physical environment, I reckon that that's how some of the Keris ended up,... Photo of close up Attached Images Last edited by maxbliss888; 9th June 2015 at 05:05 PM.

9th June 2015, 04:21 PM	#29
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Sorry about the photo quality as thee are limitation on the size of photos and I have to compressed it in order to load it up.... Not sure why sometimes I can post a bigger size photo and sometimes it get smaller.. Last edited by maxbliss888; 9th June 2015 at 04:38 PM.