Blunderbuss cannon for comments

fernando · 23rd June 2018, 03:06 PM

Is this the muzzle style you can call "trumpet" ?
Would it be possible to ID its origin by looking at its (only) mark on the bottom ? What would this 8 over 8 mean ?
Thanks for some help .

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Fernando K · 24th June 2018, 06:27 PM

Hello

Generally, the numbers on the pieces of a weapon, are to identify the worker / craftsman responsible for the completion of the piece, or is filed to the correct dimensions, or to empardar pieces of a cock.

About the origin of the barrel, I can not venture anything, except that it seems European. What strikes me is that the breech screw (breech) seems to have a non-usual shape, by the lines that you see in the barrel, above and at the level of the ear Affectionately

fernando · 24th June 2018, 06:47 PM

Thank you for your thoughts Fernando, Tocayo.
I had the same impression about the numbers purpose, only wasn't sure in this specific case.
I see your point about the breech marks around the ear; make me think of a certain system used to convert barrels from flint to percussion, where the barrel back is cut off , although in principle this is not the case.

rickystl · 21st July 2018, 05:19 PM

Hi Fernando

Entering this Thread a bit late. LOL An interesting blunderbuss barrel. Fernanda K is probably correct ref the two 8's.
The genearl length of the barrel and the distance between the two underpinning lugs would tell me this barrel was originally mounted to a shoulder firing weapon. Also, the recess in the breech plug tang hole shows the tang screw entered from the top of the stock, and threaded into the trigger plate. This could place the barrel post-1750. The "U" shaped cut-out in the breech plug may have been made to accomodate a lock bolt.
Just some minor observations. Where did you find it ?

Rick

fernando · 21st July 2018, 05:56 PM

Thanks much for your input, Rick; better late than never

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This barrel belongs to a local fellow collector and we wouldn't doubt it was once mounted in a blunderbuss. Interestingly we have the conviction that, when the tang screw enters from the bottom (not this case), is a sign of being Portuguese. Sharp note about the U cutout in the breech plug, which makes full sense; i will pass this to my friend.

23rd June 2018, 03:06 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Blunderbuss cannon for comments Is this the muzzle style you can call "trumpet" ? Would it be possible to ID its origin by looking at its (only) mark on the bottom ? What would this 8 over 8 mean ? Thanks for some help . . Attached Images

24th June 2018, 06:27 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hello Generally, the numbers on the pieces of a weapon, are to identify the worker / craftsman responsible for the completion of the piece, or is filed to the correct dimensions, or to empardar pieces of a cock. About the origin of the barrel, I can not venture anything, except that it seems European. What strikes me is that the breech screw (breech) seems to have a non-usual shape, by the lines that you see in the barrel, above and at the level of the ear Affectionately

24th June 2018, 06:47 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you for your thoughts Fernando, Tocayo. I had the same impression about the numbers purpose, only wasn't sure in this specific case. I see your point about the breech marks around the ear; make me think of a certain system used to convert barrels from flint to percussion, where the barrel back is cut off , although in principle this is not the case.

21st July 2018, 05:19 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Fernando Entering this Thread a bit late. LOL An interesting blunderbuss barrel. Fernanda K is probably correct ref the two 8's. The genearl length of the barrel and the distance between the two underpinning lugs would tell me this barrel was originally mounted to a shoulder firing weapon. Also, the recess in the breech plug tang hole shows the tang screw entered from the top of the stock, and threaded into the trigger plate. This could place the barrel post-1750. The "U" shaped cut-out in the breech plug may have been made to accomodate a lock bolt. Just some minor observations. Where did you find it ? Rick

21st July 2018, 05:56 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks much for your input, Rick; better late than never . This barrel belongs to a local fellow collector and we wouldn't doubt it was once mounted in a blunderbuss. Interestingly we have the conviction that, when the tang screw enters from the bottom (not this case), is a sign of being Portuguese. Sharp note about the U cutout in the breech plug, which makes full sense; i will pass this to my friend.