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Hello my friends! I have two axes in my possession and would like your help and your comments. the former appears to be from the Balkans or from Persia. the second but I can not find the roots. Thank you Stelios
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Hello Stelios,
Neither one appears to be Persian, although the 2nd one is shaped a bit like tabar... Perhaps Turkish? Balkan or East European is also a good possibility. Is there any chance to get pictures of the whole axe including the shaft? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Nice axes by the way. |
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Hi Stelio,
the second one looks like it might be Arab, a 'Jerz' axe. Ask Stu (Khanjar1) or Ibrahiim. |
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Salaams stelio, Interesting~ I wonder if the protrusion on the first axe is original or welded on afterwards...? The Omanis have two slightly different axes 1. From the Musandam. 2. From the Wayhaybah or Waheebah sands in North East Oman. The Musandam axe is called a Jers (or Jirz) quite ornamental often with brass inlay and incised geometrical designs and is carried by Shihuh tribesmen and the other is called a Qaddum and is carried by the Wayhaybah tribesmen on camelback... and is often dead basic looking without incised adornment in plain steel and with a shaft of Ghaf wood.(probably changed on your specimens) Wayhaybah axes..I think that is what we are loooking at in the case of the second weapon though the first looks like the Indian style and somewhat odd because of the hook protrusion. ![]() For axes see Atlantia thread; Small Axes for ID #13 etc. Regards Ibrahiim. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 29th November 2011 at 08:44 AM. Reason: add name |
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the 1st one loks like a fokos from the balkans/carpathians. they also come in decorated brass. also known as ciupaga they can have very decorative hafts and engraved heads. defensive walking sticks for those trips to the pub thru the forest at night, for wolves, four legged or two legged. the ciupaga hafts have an alpine spike at the bottom end.
2nd looks like an arabian mussandam axe/walking stick. more modern repro from hungary: top one of my ciupaga: top middle, chromed head my little arabian mussandam jers axe/walking stick: bottom middle my other brass headed ciupaga, sheet brass guard over the edge: bottom |
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Salaams kronckew, Your axe is indeed from the Musandam however the axe in question is not. It is from the Wahaybah in Oman. Whereas Musandam Jers (or Jirz) are incised and very often inlaid with brass and sometimes silver,(which may have developed because of its Iconic stature; there it is carried as a badge of office as is the Khanjar in other areas of Oman) whilst the Wahaybah(or Wahiibah) axes (qaddum) are not.. In the Wahaybah it is used on camel back... as a camel stick and defensive weapon on a shaft of Ghaf. I often see Jers axes (I have about 20 in my collection) and the wood is Meez which is very hard..The Jers axes are made in Lima and Khasab. The Wahaybay Qaddum are made in Sinaw and a fine description is outlined in the chapter on Musandam in the Omani Cultural Heritage document by Richardson and Dorr and particularly in pages 78 and 79 and covered fully in respect of the Wayhaybah weapon on page 453. Photos show; 1.Musandam map and 2.Jers and 3.Qaddum The bottom qaddum being more or less identical to the axe in question though I have to say I'm unsure as to the other axe in question with a curled sort of handle sprouting from the hammer end... that I think is unrelated ~ possibly Indian? ![]() Regards, Ibrahiim Al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 30th November 2011 at 07:40 AM. |
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shukran, mu'alim.
you are of course more knowledgeable than i am & i'm grateful for your sharing of it. tasharafna. ma`a as-salaamah. |
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we here are a family of teachers who are also scholars, and scholars who are also teachers. a rather diverse one, but bonded by our seeking for the truth and for beauty, rather than mere genetics.
fi aman allah. (p.s. - we have now pretty much exhausted my anglicized arabic, i can (just) write my name in arabic, but would not even try to read any arabic text.) |
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Hello my friends. axes are in the family at least 200 years, but after the war had to use them for tools. The woods are certainly changed since the were for agricultural work. and the scripture had plans to work will surely faded. thank you Stelios
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Somehow missed this. Yes the second one is a JERZ axe, Oman. My email is sabiki@clear.net.nz if you require further information. Stu Last edited by kahnjar1; 1st December 2011 at 06:27 AM. |
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No it isnt. Its a qaddum axe from the Wahiibah in the Omani sharqiyyah ~ see my posts on this thread for detail. Ibrahiim |
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Στελιο, I want to send you a private message, but i cant because you have made your account unable to receive messages. Can you contact me please?
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eftihi if you want to send me e-mail stelioszaloumis@hotmail.com
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[QUOTE=stelio]eftihi if you want to send me e-mail
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