wahabite(?) dagger for comments

[francantolin]

Hello gentlemen,

I bought this old dagger,
I think it's called a wahabite dagger (?)
I wonder if it is a Yemeni model and how old it can be ?

( for me, late 19th, beginning of the 20th century... )

I found really nice the silver work
the blade is sharp, thick in the middle and seems a forged model .

Interesting too the crescent and stars carved stone ( cornelian ? )

Nice surprise for the hilt, not wood,
I don't think it's rhino but it is made of horn with an interesting wavy structure.

What do you think ?

Kind regards

[francantolin]

and the hilt structure

[kahnjar1]

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dharia+dagger
Please refer to this old link which I think will answer your questions.
Stu

[francantolin]

Hello Stu,


Thank you for the link for the Dharia daggers,

sure wahabite weapons doesn't mean a lot !
( but that's what I found on the net ! !! ... )

Yemen origin was not bad,

So if I'm right it's a rashaq hilt with a nafihi blade

Has somebody an advice/informations about age ?,
maybe the scabbard end has been changed/repaired.

Any comments welcomed about the carved stone ?
I find it nice and original but maybe it's common for the dharias ?

What do you think of the hilt/horn ?

Kind regards

[Michael Blalock]

The stone with a carving is unusual. It could represent the conjunction of the Moon, Venus and the Pleiades. Not sure of the significance but it does happen from time to time.

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you Michael for your message,

It make me think to the Islamic / Ottoman empire flag, ( ore the turkish or tunisian flag )
same crescent but with more stars !...

[kahnjar1]

The hilt of your Dharia is IMHO SHBEYL not Rashaq. The blade looks to have been filed and could not be called Nafihi as they are rhomboid shape (no central ridge) and highly polished. I would just call it "a blade", probably a locally made Yemeni one.
Ref the scabbard tip,....it looks to me to be a standard original one, though a better pic of it would help.
Stu

[francantolin]

Hello,

Here other pictures of the blade, not that bad for me !
it looks like a Kurdish blade I have,
( maybe a pattern, I have to polish and try to etch it )

Diamond section blade, not symetric, larger on one side so that's what is called a rhomboid for me.

Is Nafihi blade style made like some assymetric Kindjal blades ?
Glad if you put please a picture of a Nafihi blade just for know how it's done.

[francantolin]

and the scabbard

Kind regards

[kahnjar1]

Thanks for the extra pics. The blade looks MUCH better in the new pics. Sorry I do not have a pic of a Nafihi blade.
The scabbard end looks to be original.
Stu

[Bob A]

Quite attractive silver work on the hilt and top of scabbard. The square piece with the carved carnelian is very reminiscent of some Central Asian jewelry pieces we have. While carnelian is common in this jewelry, I have not seen a carved stone therein.

[Kubur]

I can't resist to comment!

This is not a stone but a red molded glass.

Here an Iraki khanjar with the same glasses from 1900-1920.

The old Yemeni flag has a moon and a star.

What is the common point between Yemen and Irak? Ottoman occupation

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you everybody for your message,

Kubur, why not comment ? Merci pour ta réponse ,

I don't think it's the same stuff / glass but exactly the same design,
maybe another mix of molded glass/pâte de verre, less shiny and thicker...

Sure, it's difficult/impossible? to carve the stars with the central dot on a stone
...

Kind regards

[francantolin]

just for share,

this pendant I bought time ago,
coming from turkmenistan
I'm sure this time: with a carved cornelian stone

Kind regards and thank you everybody for your comments

[Tatyana Dianova]

The "stone" in question is a Czech made molded glass bead, so called Czech "Hajj" trade bead. Age: early to mid 1900's. Very common in Islamic jewellery as well.
Hajj beads are worn by Muslims who have made the pilgrimage to Mecca, These are made from a gorgeous crimson glass with Arabic writing and symbols.
These beads are made in the Czech Republic (former Czechoslovakia) especially for pilgrims to Mecca.
Only those who have made the journey (the hajj) are entitled to wear them, but the beads sometimes find their way into traders' pouches and are sold to non-pilgrims.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

The "stone" in question is a Czech made molded glass bead, so called Czech "Hajj" trade bead. Age: early to mid 1900's. Very common in Islamic jewellery as well.

Extremely interesting
Do you know if they were designed for the Ottoman / Turkish market too?
(with the flag)

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

The "stone" in question is a Czech made molded glass bead, so called Czech "Hajj" trade bead. Age: early to mid 1900's. Very common in Islamic jewellery as well.
Hajj beads are worn by Muslims who have made the pilgrimage to Mecca, These are made from a gorgeous crimson glass with Arabic writing and symbols.
These beads are made in the Czech Republic (former Czechoslovakia) especially for pilgrims to Mecca.
Only those who have made the journey (the hajj) are entitled to wear them, but the beads sometimes find their way into traders' pouches and are sold to non-pilgrims.

Didn't know these Hadj beads !

Thanks a lot Tatyana !!!