Old bali blade in tourist dress

asomotif · 25th July 2008, 02:03 AM

I bought this keris.
This type of tourist dress has been dsicussed before.
But I woud like some comments / info on the blade.

Without Peksi it is 31 cms long. seems rather small for a balinese blade, not ?

Althought the tourist dress spells ugly from back to front, I am wondering if this is something that should be kept as it is.

Or is the blade worth of being refurbished ?
And if so, any idea on the costs of a new wrangka and Ukiran in balinede style ?

Thanks fro any info comments.

Best regards,
Willem

Alam Shah · 25th July 2008, 02:13 AM

Hi Willem,

Actually the blade looks javanese to me... a nice looking elegant blade too.
This seems like a mix-and-match combo for tourist. The blade seems to have some age to it, imho.

A. G. Maisey · 25th July 2008, 02:44 AM

It is always difficult to appraise a blade from photographs, especially when the blade is out of stain, and if the photos are not taken at an angle as close to 90 degrees as is possible,however, based upon what I can see in these photos I am inclined to think that this blade is either Bali or Lombok. There are too many non-typical features for me to give it as a Javanese blade.

New Balinese dress is probably not a financially viable option.

PenangsangII · 25th July 2008, 02:58 AM

Though I didnot get the chance to touch the blade surface, judging from the pix I would say I is quite smooth a.k.a polished. Like Alan had said, could be Bali or Lombok. But then the pesi looks rather too small for bali or lombok piece, and I understand why Alam Shah thought this is Javanese blade. Would East Java or even Madura be the origin of the blade?

A. G. Maisey · 25th July 2008, 03:10 AM

From photos, and out of stain, anything is possible, however, the blumbangan looks bata adeg in the pics, and the ada-ada is difficult to align to any Javanese blade, additionally, even though the ron dha is eroded, filling in with possibilities, I cannot see a Javanese ron dha, the sogokan are finely formed, more typical of Balinese workmanship, the pawakan is difficult to judge because of the camera angles, but it has the gutsy look of Bali to me, not the delicacy of Jawa or the sinister quality of old Madura.The top of the gonjo is hard to align to Jawa. Just too many things that don't fit a Jawa blade. If you say "Jawa", you need to be able to say "Jawa whatever". I cannot do that with this blade, and there is nothing of Madura in it that can see.

Alam Shah · 25th July 2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

From photos, and out of stain, anything is possible, however, the blumbangan looks bata adeg in the pics, and the ada-ada is difficult to align to any Javanese blade, additionally, even though the ron dha is eroded, filling in with possibilities, I cannot see a Javanese ron dha, the sogokan are finely formed, more typical of Balinese workmanship, the pawakan is difficult to judge because of the camera angles, but it has the gutsy look of Bali to me, not the delicacy of Jawa or the sinister quality of old Madura.The top of the gonjo is hard to align to Jawa. Just too many things that don't fit a Jawa blade. If you say "Jawa", you need to be able to say "Jawa whatever". I cannot do that with this blade, and there is nothing of Madura in it that can see.

Thanks for the pointers...

I see... good valid points.

sjors · 25th July 2008, 10:04 AM

If anyone is interested: I saw this keris is allready on Marktplaats (a Dutch kind of Ebay)

David · 25th July 2008, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjors

If anyone is interested: I saw this keris is allready on Marktplaats (a Dutch kind of Ebay)

Can you send me a link. If that is the case then i am afraid this discussion is closed for the duration of that auction.

25th July 2008, 02:03 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Old bali blade in tourist dress I bought this keris. This type of tourist dress has been dsicussed before. But I woud like some comments / info on the blade. Without Peksi it is 31 cms long. seems rather small for a balinese blade, not ? Althought the tourist dress spells ugly from back to front, I am wondering if this is something that should be kept as it is. Or is the blade worth of being refurbished ? And if so, any idea on the costs of a new wrangka and Ukiran in balinede style ? Thanks fro any info comments. Best regards, Willem Attached Images

25th July 2008, 02:13 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Willem, Actually the blade looks javanese to me... a nice looking elegant blade too. This seems like a mix-and-match combo for tourist. The blade seems to have some age to it, imho.

25th July 2008, 02:44 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	It is always difficult to appraise a blade from photographs, especially when the blade is out of stain, and if the photos are not taken at an angle as close to 90 degrees as is possible,however, based upon what I can see in these photos I am inclined to think that this blade is either Bali or Lombok. There are too many non-typical features for me to give it as a Javanese blade. New Balinese dress is probably not a financially viable option.

25th July 2008, 02:58 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Though I didnot get the chance to touch the blade surface, judging from the pix I would say I is quite smooth a.k.a polished. Like Alan had said, could be Bali or Lombok. But then the pesi looks rather too small for bali or lombok piece, and I understand why Alam Shah thought this is Javanese blade. Would East Java or even Madura be the origin of the blade?

25th July 2008, 03:10 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	From photos, and out of stain, anything is possible, however, the blumbangan looks bata adeg in the pics, and the ada-ada is difficult to align to any Javanese blade, additionally, even though the ron dha is eroded, filling in with possibilities, I cannot see a Javanese ron dha, the sogokan are finely formed, more typical of Balinese workmanship, the pawakan is difficult to judge because of the camera angles, but it has the gutsy look of Bali to me, not the delicacy of Jawa or the sinister quality of old Madura.The top of the gonjo is hard to align to Jawa. Just too many things that don't fit a Jawa blade. If you say "Jawa", you need to be able to say "Jawa whatever". I cannot do that with this blade, and there is nothing of Madura in it that can see.

25th July 2008, 10:04 AM	#7
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	If anyone is interested: I saw this keris is allready on Marktplaats (a Dutch kind of Ebay)