Gunong

GIO · 19th July 2022, 06:22 PM

Have won this gunong at an auction. The seller pretended not to know what it was and its origin, and surprisingly I had only one or two relentless competitors.
I did not win cheap, but at the end I think I paid the right price. In my opinion the gunong is a rather recent manufacture and therefore is in good shape. I have not yet received the item, and the photo is from the auction site. As everybody has understood, this is not my "cup of tea".
Any comment from gunong collectors ?

ariel · 20th July 2022, 12:30 AM

Not my cup of tea either and until couple of weeks ago i could condescendingly critique your choices. But just recently I bough ( cheap) Indonesian or Philippino dagger of recent manufacture. Why on earth did I do it? I kinda liked it and that’s it…..

Ian · 20th July 2022, 02:20 AM

Nicely made and as you say reasonably recent piece (post WWII, probably last quarter of 20th C). I think you will find that most of the white metal is a form of white brass. The exception might be the guard which was sometimes made from coin silver. All will look better when polished. The blade has been made largely by stock removal rather than having the wavers forged.

GIO · 20th July 2022, 04:15 PM

Thanks a lot, Ariel and Jan.

GIO · 20th July 2022, 04:16 PM

Sorry, IAN

Battara · 21st July 2022, 12:57 AM

Stock removal like this started in tunings in the 1920s I think, but I agree with Ian that this is probably post 1940s. It became very popular by the 1930s as the demand for laminated steel dropped.

Also from that point on metals like nickel/copper alloys (also known as "German Silver") and aluminum became more common place as time went on to replace silver and even silver plate.

GIO · 22nd July 2022, 12:26 PM

Thanks for the interesting comments.

David · 22nd July 2022, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Stock removal like this started in tunings in the 1920s I think, but I agree with Ian that this is probably post 1940s. It became very popular by the 1930s as the demand for laminated steel dropped.

Also from that point on metals like nickel/copper alloys (also known as "German Silver") and aluminum became more common place as time went on to replace silver and even silver plate.

That dating seems generous José. With pointy luks like that this seems more likely to be at least post 1960s.
I agree with others that this seems to be fairly well made. It is most probably mono steel rather than laminated. Ian is probably correct that the white metal is white brass, but i would think that coin silver is unlikely. It could be German silver, which we all probably know actually has no silver content at all. Sorry you had a bidding war on this piece. Hope you weren't forced to pay too high a price for it. I like a nice old gunong, but like others, these modern pieces are not my cup of tea either, though it is not an unattractive piece.

GIO · 24th July 2022, 03:24 PM

Thanks David. I agree with your comments.

milandro · 11th August 2022, 10:39 AM

I have seen one of these Gunongs recently appear in the NL where they are very rare , unlike Indonesian-Malay keris which are plentiful due to the colonial history. Surprisingly I see it still on offer.

The reason why someone may fall in love with any object are really any and in the end the only person you have tom convince is yourself. Enjoy it!

GIO · 21st August 2022, 03:20 PM

... after cleaning

Ian · 21st August 2022, 11:54 PM

Hi GIO,

Nice cleaning job. It looks much better, and the quality of workmanship is good. Nice example of a modern gunong.

19th July 2022, 06:22 PM	#1
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Gunong Have won this gunong at an auction. The seller pretended not to know what it was and its origin, and surprisingly I had only one or two relentless competitors. I did not win cheap, but at the end I think I paid the right price. In my opinion the gunong is a rather recent manufacture and therefore is in good shape. I have not yet received the item, and the photo is from the auction site. As everybody has understood, this is not my "cup of tea". Any comment from gunong collectors ? Attached Images

21st August 2022, 03:20 PM	#11
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	... after cleaning Attached Images

20th July 2022, 12:30 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Not my cup of tea either and until couple of weeks ago i could condescendingly critique your choices. But just recently I bough ( cheap) Indonesian or Philippino dagger of recent manufacture. Why on earth did I do it? I kinda liked it and that’s it…..

20th July 2022, 02:20 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Nicely made and as you say reasonably recent piece (post WWII, probably last quarter of 20th C). I think you will find that most of the white metal is a form of white brass. The exception might be the guard which was sometimes made from coin silver. All will look better when polished. The blade has been made largely by stock removal rather than having the wavers forged.

20th July 2022, 04:15 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Thanks a lot, Ariel and Jan.

20th July 2022, 04:16 PM	#5
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Sorry, IAN

21st July 2022, 12:57 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Stock removal like this started in tunings in the 1920s I think, but I agree with Ian that this is probably post 1940s. It became very popular by the 1930s as the demand for laminated steel dropped. Also from that point on metals like nickel/copper alloys (also known as "German Silver") and aluminum became more common place as time went on to replace silver and even silver plate.

22nd July 2022, 12:26 PM	#7
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Thanks for the interesting comments.

24th July 2022, 03:24 PM	#9
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Thanks David. I agree with your comments.

11th August 2022, 10:39 AM	#10
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 475	I have seen one of these Gunongs recently appear in the NL where they are very rare , unlike Indonesian-Malay keris which are plentiful due to the colonial history. Surprisingly I see it still on offer. The reason why someone may fall in love with any object are really any and in the end the only person you have tom convince is yourself. Enjoy it!

21st August 2022, 11:54 PM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Hi GIO, Nice cleaning job. It looks much better, and the quality of workmanship is good. Nice example of a modern gunong.