cabasset helmet , what do people think???

phil.reid · 31st July 2019, 02:37 AM

cabasset helmet , any ideas ? looks to be made from one piece of steel , concerned that it does have any of the rosettes and may not be period piece as its in good aged condition but maybe too good, any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated , no back history, just handed from buyer to buyer
cheers
Phil

David R · 31st July 2019, 02:03 PM

It looks to be at the better end of munitions quality. What does it weigh? Does it fit a real head?

corrado26 · 31st July 2019, 02:20 PM

Looking at the not too exakt way the rim is made I think it is a historism piece.
corrado26

fernando · 31st July 2019, 02:30 PM

Yet it looks good to me

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The rosettes holes look genuine.
Besides info on its weight, can you show us more pictures ... like its interior and a wider section of the rim ?
And, as asked by David, does it fit your head ? Not that this his is final evidence; it could be for a younger or smaller man ...

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phil.reid · 1st August 2019, 02:57 AM

morning gents
(0843 here in Aus)
yes fits my 56-58 head, scales are wonky but saying 1.4kg
more photo below, was it underneath of rim you were after , any idea on region/dating?

fernando · 1st August 2019, 12:04 PM

I think corrado was referring to the 'irregular' rim folding but this, only for itself, would not be an issue ... i guess

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The weight you give is a regular one for these things.
If this were a genuine 'pear stalk' cabasset, would date from around 1600's, and could come from Spain, Italy or Britain.
A genuine example was discussed HERE.

David R · 1st August 2019, 11:12 PM

I think that given the size and weight that its a real one. Plain, simple and not at all fancy, just the sort that comes out of the barrel and onto the soldier.

Philip · 2nd August 2019, 06:58 AM

The workmanship, and the appearance of the metal surface on the underside, look right to me as well. Outside appears to have been rather strenuously cleaned sometime in the past, but that applies to a lot of old armor. (at least it hasn't been "enhanced" with decoration applied by someone in the trade, long after the fact)

phil.reid · 5th August 2019, 02:46 AM

Thanks Gents ,
Feel alot more comfortable with this piece now
cheers
Phil

fernando · 5th August 2019, 11:27 AM

Your'e welcome Phil... and come again

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31st July 2019, 02:37 AM	#1
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 60	cabasset helmet , what do people think??? cabasset helmet , any ideas ? looks to be made from one piece of steel , concerned that it does have any of the rosettes and may not be period piece as its in good aged condition but maybe too good, any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated , no back history, just handed from buyer to buyer cheers Phil Attached Images

31st July 2019, 02:30 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Yet it looks good to me . The rosettes holes look genuine. Besides info on its weight, can you show us more pictures ... like its interior and a wider section of the rim ? And, as asked by David, does it fit your head ? Not that this his is final evidence; it could be for a younger or smaller man ... . Last edited by fernando; 31st July 2019 at 02:42 PM.

1st August 2019, 02:57 AM	#5
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 60	morning gents (0843 here in Aus) yes fits my 56-58 head, scales are wonky but saying 1.4kg more photo below, was it underneath of rim you were after , any idea on region/dating? Attached Images

31st July 2019, 02:03 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	It looks to be at the better end of munitions quality. What does it weigh? Does it fit a real head?

31st July 2019, 02:20 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	Looking at the not too exakt way the rim is made I think it is a historism piece. corrado26

1st August 2019, 12:04 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I think corrado was referring to the 'irregular' rim folding but this, only for itself, would not be an issue ... i guess . The weight you give is a regular one for these things. If this were a genuine 'pear stalk' cabasset, would date from around 1600's, and could come from Spain, Italy or Britain. A genuine example was discussed HERE.

1st August 2019, 11:12 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I think that given the size and weight that its a real one. Plain, simple and not at all fancy, just the sort that comes out of the barrel and onto the soldier.

2nd August 2019, 06:58 AM	#8
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	The workmanship, and the appearance of the metal surface on the underside, look right to me as well. Outside appears to have been rather strenuously cleaned sometime in the past, but that applies to a lot of old armor. (at least it hasn't been "enhanced" with decoration applied by someone in the trade, long after the fact)

5th August 2019, 02:46 AM	#9
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 60	Thanks Gents , Feel alot more comfortable with this piece now cheers Phil

5th August 2019, 11:27 AM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Your'e welcome Phil... and come again .