Nepalese Pra-Swords-2

ariel · 28th September 2007, 10:57 PM

And here is something we do not see very often: Acalantha
it was discussed here:
http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...ight=acalantha
Citing Rawson again( he provides no pics, unfortunately):
" In the early years of Indian suzerainty ( my question: before 1726? Before or about 1324?) the leaf-bladed sword is likely to be the type most in use...... which was inspired by the Tantric Buddhist art of Bihar of the Pala period ( my comment: 8-12th centuries)"
So, here it is, very heavily patinated, pretty crude blade.
My questions are related to both swords: the pra-Kukri and the Acalantha. How old do you think they are?

BBJW · 29th September 2007, 01:03 AM

When I first saw this I thought it might be a broken kora from the grip. Easily pre 1800.

bbjw

CourseEight · 29th September 2007, 01:37 AM

Boy, you know I saw something similar on ebay recently:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hindu-gurkha-kha...QQcmdZViewItem

Wish I had bid on it, now.

spiral · 1st October 2007, 12:09 AM

The blade doesnt fit the bolster. Cant recall ever seeing that from Nepal before.

Spiral

Jim McDougall · 1st October 2007, 04:14 AM

It is my impression that the term acalantha is applied to a sword that is used in certain Buddhist ritual or ceremony and would apply to any sword selected to be used in that capacity. Thus the term would not really apply to a certain sword form or type, would that be correct?

It is as typically noted, very difficult to estimate age of a weapon from photos, but this example has definitely got age! I would venture to guess probably 18th century, possibly into the 17th. Since the 'acalantha' are considered votive ritual instruments or offerings this example seems pretty plain compared to brass mounted dorje hilt forms also shown described by this term.

It is interesting here to note the double rondel hilt form associated with the Nepalese kora ( as discussed on the other 'pra kukri' thread') and consider its presence with items typically associated with Tibetan ritual items.It is well known that 'kora' are equally known in both Tibet and Nepal, and these, among many weapons were widely used throughout both.

28th September 2007, 10:57 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Nepalese Pra-Swords-2 And here is something we do not see very often: Acalantha it was discussed here: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...ight=acalantha Citing Rawson again( he provides no pics, unfortunately): " In the early years of Indian suzerainty ( my question: before 1726? Before or about 1324?) the leaf-bladed sword is likely to be the type most in use...... which was inspired by the Tantric Buddhist art of Bihar of the Pala period ( my comment: 8-12th centuries)" So, here it is, very heavily patinated, pretty crude blade. My questions are related to both swords: the pra-Kukri and the Acalantha. How old do you think they are? Attached Images

29th September 2007, 01:03 AM	#2
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 228	When I first saw this I thought it might be a broken kora from the grip. Easily pre 1800. bbjw

29th September 2007, 01:37 AM	#3
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Boy, you know I saw something similar on ebay recently: http://cgi.ebay.com/Hindu-gurkha-kha...QQcmdZViewItem Wish I had bid on it, now.

1st October 2007, 12:09 AM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	The blade doesnt fit the bolster. Cant recall ever seeing that from Nepal before. Spiral

1st October 2007, 04:14 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	It is my impression that the term acalantha is applied to a sword that is used in certain Buddhist ritual or ceremony and would apply to any sword selected to be used in that capacity. Thus the term would not really apply to a certain sword form or type, would that be correct? It is as typically noted, very difficult to estimate age of a weapon from photos, but this example has definitely got age! I would venture to guess probably 18th century, possibly into the 17th. Since the 'acalantha' are considered votive ritual instruments or offerings this example seems pretty plain compared to brass mounted dorje hilt forms also shown described by this term. It is interesting here to note the double rondel hilt form associated with the Nepalese kora ( as discussed on the other 'pra kukri' thread') and consider its presence with items typically associated with Tibetan ritual items.It is well known that 'kora' are equally known in both Tibet and Nepal, and these, among many weapons were widely used throughout both.