Angola sword

bvieira · 17th January 2020, 11:45 PM

Hello,

Got this sword, named as Angola tribal sword, 19 century, copy of the Portuguese xvi century swords.

Would like a opinion please.

Tks!

Bruno

ariel · 18th January 2020, 12:31 AM

The blade looks like crude copy of the Spanish cavalry sword 1728 pattern. The hexagonal profile and the narrowed ricasso make me think of it.

Kubur · 18th January 2020, 08:14 AM

Buono dia
First i like your sword and it's the first time that i see one with a scabbard.
We have some experts of this kind of sword on the forum but here is what i see: the blade as Ariel said looks strange, then the guard has 3 branches instead of 4 and is in brass instead of steel.
In short it's a nice sword, probably from Angola but may be from the early 20th c.

bvieira · 18th January 2020, 11:13 AM

Thank you Ariel and Kubur!

Some more pictures of the blade. The blade is heavy and feels strong, it's less width than the 1728 Spanish cavalary sword but it's thicker. It's sharp too.

Regards,

Bruno

Edster · 18th January 2020, 01:38 PM

Question: why would the bladesmith cut the relatively deep and sharp notches at the ricasso? It seems to me that they create points of stress concentration and invite the blade to break with a heavy strike. Did the notches serve another purpose?

Thanks,
Ed

bvieira · 18th January 2020, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edster

Question: why would the bladesmith cut the relatively deep and sharp notches at the ricasso? It seems to me that they create points of stress concentration and invite the blade to break with a heavy strike. Did the notches serve another purpose?

Thanks,
Ed

Hello Edster,

Maybe the blade was from another older sword ?

Regards,

Bruno

Kubur · 18th January 2020, 09:58 PM

The deep and sharp notches were made with a saw and not forged to imitate the upper part "ricasso" of a rapier, but normaly this part is thiner than the blade like a tang... It is the reason why this blade is very suspicious...

THE reference
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=angola

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=kongo+sword

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23464

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=angola

17th January 2020, 11:45 PM	#1
bvieira Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 108	Angola sword Hello, Got this sword, named as Angola tribal sword, 19 century, copy of the Portuguese xvi century swords. Would like a opinion please. Tks! Bruno Attached Images

18th January 2020, 11:13 AM	#4
bvieira Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 108	Thank you Ariel and Kubur! Some more pictures of the blade. The blade is heavy and feels strong, it's less width than the 1728 Spanish cavalary sword but it's thicker. It's sharp too. Regards, Bruno Attached Images

18th January 2020, 12:31 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The blade looks like crude copy of the Spanish cavalry sword 1728 pattern. The hexagonal profile and the narrowed ricasso make me think of it.

18th January 2020, 08:14 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Buono dia First i like your sword and it's the first time that i see one with a scabbard. We have some experts of this kind of sword on the forum but here is what i see: the blade as Ariel said looks strange, then the guard has 3 branches instead of 4 and is in brass instead of steel. In short it's a nice sword, probably from Angola but may be from the early 20th c.

18th January 2020, 01:38 PM	#5
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	Question: why would the bladesmith cut the relatively deep and sharp notches at the ricasso? It seems to me that they create points of stress concentration and invite the blade to break with a heavy strike. Did the notches serve another purpose? Thanks, Ed

18th January 2020, 09:58 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The deep and sharp notches were made with a saw and not forged to imitate the upper part "ricasso" of a rapier, but normaly this part is thiner than the blade like a tang... It is the reason why this blade is very suspicious... THE reference http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=angola http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=kongo+sword http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23464 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=angola