New pieces from the collection of General Shockley

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 03:47 PM

New additions from the collection of General M.A.W. Shockley!!

Enjoy!!

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 03:50 PM

By visiting the auction house I was able to obtain direct photographic evidence.

Tim Simmons · 3rd March 2023, 05:10 PM

Gosh they are nice. Did you or was there any issues about the ivory? I am sure others would be interested to know.

kino · 3rd March 2023, 05:59 PM

What a haul. Congrats.
Where’s the Kris with the Garuda(?) hilt.
He must’ve placed those ray skins on the handles.

Battara · 3rd March 2023, 08:21 PM

Congratulations. I saw that auction, but no money to bid. I love not only the krises but also the Tagalog piece with the carved horn and horn/silver scabbard (I was going to go for that one

).

Also great to have provenance!

Would you be able to post the weapons pictures individually here?

David · 3rd March 2023, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Gosh they are nice. Did you or was there any issues about the ivory? I am sure others would be interested to know.

I assume this auction took place in the USA and it seems that this portion of the collection has remained there. Generally these issues don't arise unless the items in question are crossing international borders.

David · 3rd March 2023, 09:22 PM

Brilliant additions to any collection. Congratulations!

carlos · 3rd March 2023, 09:29 PM

Congratulations!!! Great collection, the horn and silver bolo is :

!!!!
Thanks for sharing
Carlos

Gavin Nugent · 3rd March 2023, 11:18 PM

Congratulations!

I got the one I wanted, you pushed me far with it though... you'll know the one... if your research reveals its actual origins, please do write to me.

With thanks

Gavin

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Congratulations!

I got the one I wanted, you pushed me far with it though... you'll know the one... if your research reveals its actual origins, please do write to me.

With thanks

Gavin

Gavin,

Next time we should talk first!!! I was able to see your Garuda in person and it is magnificent! I believe the back portion of the hilt is solid cast metal. It has the serious potential to be gold!!! There’s no tarnish on the cast portion and it doesn’t appear to have been cleaned. I think you will be very happy!! You also have direct providence on the Kris!! See these pictures.

Ron will also be very happy with the axe!!! I should have looked at that piece more closely… it’s seriously special also.

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Congratulations. I saw that auction, but no money to bid. I love not only the krises but also the Tagalog piece with the carved horn and horn/silver scabbard (I was going to go for that one

).

Also great to have provenance!

Would you be able to post the weapons pictures individually here?

Yes will post individual pics of the pieces once I get them cleaned up a bit.

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos

Congratulations!!! Great collection, the horn and silver bolo is :

!!!!
Thanks for sharing
Carlos

It is my fist Luzon piece and is the most ornate piece I’ve seen and in incredible shape. The carving on the scabbard is so next level… I honestly don’t know how that could be done.

SanibelSwassa · 3rd March 2023, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Gosh they are nice. Did you or was there any issues about the ivory? I am sure others would be interested to know.

Tim,

Intra-State on pieces this old there aren’t any issues where I live. DO NOT attempt anything like this with international purchases!! I recently had piece go through that process from Italy and it took several months… none where Ivory and it was still a really difficult process and cost significantly more to get the items to the US.

Hope that helps!!

Gavin Nugent · 3rd March 2023, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanibelSwassa

Gavin,

Next time we should talk first!!! I was able to see your Garuda in person and it is magnificent! I believe the back portion of the hilt is solid cast metal. It has the serious potential to be gold!!! There’s no tarnish on the cast portion and it doesn’t appear to have been cleaned. I think you will be very happy!! You also have direct providence on the Kris!! See these pictures.

Ron will also be very happy with the axe!!! I should have looked at that piece more closely… it’s seriously special also.

Happy I was, happier I am now with your insights, thank you! This is indeed good news and as I thought it had potential to be too...Sultan level potential.

Rafngard · 4th March 2023, 03:54 AM

Am I mad, or am I seeing sharkskin on the hilts of some of those kris?

Gavin Nugent · 4th March 2023, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rafngard

Am I mad, or am I seeing sharkskin on the hilts of some of those kris?

Ray skin I suspect... perhaps considered more durable that resin coated cord when at sea and that ray skin offered a very positive non slip grip in the hand when wet... could simply be intended for a practical nature...

Tim Simmons · 4th March 2023, 08:02 AM

I ask about the Ivory as most if not all auction rooms in the UK will not deal with ivory items and I thought that was spreading internationally. Glad you had no problem.

milandro · 4th March 2023, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I ask about the Ivory as most if not all auction rooms in the UK will not deal with ivory items and I thought that was spreading internationally. Glad you had no problem.

Between EU UK and the rest of the world Ivory trade is as good as practically dead from last year it is really only possible to sell to museums

read what I wrote here

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23029

Within the US 3 states have signed a similar act banning trade across state lines.

SanibelSwassa · 4th March 2023, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafngard

Am I mad, or am I seeing sharkskin on the hilts of some of those kris?

Three of them are definitely Ray skin. They appear to have been ray skin in the pics also… but may not have been that way originally.

Sajen · 5th March 2023, 07:57 PM

Stunning! Congrats for your new acquisitions.

Gavin Nugent · 5th March 2023, 08:28 PM

Poor quality image, but an example of the Bolo type from the collection. Met Museum.

SanibelSwassa · 6th March 2023, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Poor quality image, but an example of the Bolo type from the collection. Met Museum.

Just finished a first round of basic clean up.

SanibelSwassa · 6th March 2023, 03:05 AM

Second clean up completed… might need some translation assistance.

Battara · 6th March 2023, 03:35 AM

Great clean up! Great twist core! Never seen Jawi on the baka-baka before, nor have I seen hilt bands like that! Silver and swassa - VERY nice.

Gavin Nugent · 6th March 2023, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Great clean up! Great twist core! Never seen Jawi on the baka-baka before, nor have I seen hilt bands like that! Silver and swassa - VERY nice.

Battara, is it the combination or materials of the design/assembly of the silver/swassa you have not seen before?

Battara · 6th March 2023, 11:57 PM

Oh I've seen and made swassa bands before. But the patterns on the swassa bands and their style - no.

SanibelSwassa · 7th March 2023, 01:03 AM

Another kris fresh from basic clean up!! The Ray skin wrap appears to have been a later addition after the kris was collected. It is solid and feels good in the hand… still very tight. The twist core is visible but not deeply etched. There are marks on one of the baca that may be decorative or talismanic.

Enjoy!!

SS

werecow · 7th March 2023, 01:20 AM

I'm curious about the length of the large sundang. Also would like your cleaning superpowers.

Gavin Nugent · 7th March 2023, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Oh I've seen and made swassa bands before. But the patterns on the swassa bands and their style - no.

That's what I thought.

The closest I've seen to that motif in swassa is arrangements of 3 half moons to make the triangle shape, not yet the V shape with circle in the center...

SanibelSwassa · 7th March 2023, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

That's what I thought.

The closest I've seen to that motif in swassa is arrangements of 3 half moons to make the triangle shape, not yet the V shape with circle in the center...

I will get you a better pic as the motif is impressive and varied in the hilt stack… all of which are still tight and true.

3rd March 2023, 03:47 PM	#1
SanibelSwassa Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Sanibel Florida Posts: 104	New pieces from the collection of General Shockley New additions from the collection of General M.A.W. Shockley!! Enjoy!! Attached Images

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SanibelSwassa Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Sanibel Florida Posts: 104	Providence from his estate By visiting the auction house I was able to obtain direct photographic evidence. Attached Images

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Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Poor quality image, but an example of the Bolo type from the collection. Met Museum. Attached Images

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SanibelSwassa Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Sanibel Florida Posts: 104	Second clean up completed… might need some translation assistance. Attached Images

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SanibelSwassa Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Sanibel Florida Posts: 104	Another kris fresh from basic clean up!! The Ray skin wrap appears to have been a later addition after the kris was collected. It is solid and feels good in the hand… still very tight. The twist core is visible but not deeply etched. There are marks on one of the baca that may be decorative or talismanic. Enjoy!! SS Attached Images

3rd March 2023, 05:10 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Gosh they are nice. Did you or was there any issues about the ivory? I am sure others would be interested to know.

3rd March 2023, 05:59 PM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,001	What a haul. Congrats. Where’s the Kris with the Garuda(?) hilt. He must’ve placed those ray skins on the handles.

3rd March 2023, 08:21 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Congratulations. I saw that auction, but no money to bid. I love not only the krises but also the Tagalog piece with the carved horn and horn/silver scabbard (I was going to go for that one ). Also great to have provenance! Would you be able to post the weapons pictures individually here?

3rd March 2023, 09:22 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,111	Brilliant additions to any collection. Congratulations!

3rd March 2023, 09:29 PM	#8
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Congratulations!!! Great collection, the horn and silver bolo is : !!!! Thanks for sharing Carlos

3rd March 2023, 11:18 PM	#9
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Congratulations! I got the one I wanted, you pushed me far with it though... you'll know the one... if your research reveals its actual origins, please do write to me. With thanks Gavin

4th March 2023, 03:54 AM	#15
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 340	Am I mad, or am I seeing sharkskin on the hilts of some of those kris?

4th March 2023, 08:02 AM	#17
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	I ask about the Ivory as most if not all auction rooms in the UK will not deal with ivory items and I thought that was spreading internationally. Glad you had no problem.

5th March 2023, 07:57 PM	#20
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,760	Stunning! Congrats for your new acquisitions.

6th March 2023, 03:35 AM	#24
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Great clean up! Great twist core! Never seen Jawi on the baka-baka before, nor have I seen hilt bands like that! Silver and swassa - VERY nice.

6th March 2023, 11:57 PM	#26
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Oh I've seen and made swassa bands before. But the patterns on the swassa bands and their style - no.

7th March 2023, 01:20 AM	#28
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 491	I'm curious about the length of the large sundang. Also would like your cleaning superpowers.