Spanish or Prussian markings?

AndrewVigo · 20th December 2015, 11:25 AM

Hello
Can anyone help me identify these blade markings on an old sword my brother has? I was told they are Spanish, but have seen some similar that are Prussian.
Thank you
Andy

fernando · 20th December 2015, 03:34 PM

Welcome to the forum, Andrew

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I would be surprised if these were indeed Spanish

corrado26 · 20th December 2015, 04:05 PM

I think these signs are of Mexican origin
corrado26

AndrewVigo · 21st December 2015, 08:51 AM

It is in a Walloon type sword, so not Mexican! And I do not think the Mexicans had the ability to make such quality stamps as used on the kings head.
I was given a copy of page 1 of 1000 Marks of European Blademakers. Apparently an 8 pronged sun symbol is quite unique (most have less prongs), and are connected with Alman de Juan of Spain in the 16C

Fernando K · 21st December 2015, 11:26 AM

Hey there

Without entering into the definition of origin, I wonder how is it in high relief or bas-relief, or a photographic problem, focus? In addition, for an accurate, complete picture be advisable or gun na opinion.

Affectionately. Fernando K

AndrewVigo · 22nd December 2015, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hey there

Without entering into the definition of origin, I wonder how is it in high relief or bas-relief, or a photographic problem, focus? In addition, for an accurate, complete picture be advisable or gun na opinion.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Sorry, I do not understand. If you are asking me about my photographic skills, I have none.

fernando · 22nd December 2015, 12:39 PM

Fernando K is sometimes betrayed by the translating engine.
I guess he suggests that the picture doesn't show whether the marks are protruding out of the blade or impressed into it.
He also suggests that a complete view of the whole sword would help to define its origin ... which i fully agree.
Could you that, Andrew ?

Lee · 6th March 2018, 01:52 PM

A blade with similar 'crowned bearded head' marks mounted as a hunting sword with mid 18th century London silver hallmarks is reported to have been sold as lot 310 by Taylor & Fletcher on 22 Feb 2018.

M ELEY · 6th March 2018, 05:22 PM

Wundes? If the sword (once we see it!) is of the late 17th/early 18th, could this be a variation of the Wundes Brothers stamp, as found on German and English hangers of the above mentioned period.
Mark

20th December 2015, 11:25 AM	#1
AndrewVigo Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 3	Spanish or Prussian markings? Hello Can anyone help me identify these blade markings on an old sword my brother has? I was told they are Spanish, but have seen some similar that are Prussian. Thank you Andy Attached Images

20th December 2015, 03:34 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the forum, Andrew . I would be surprised if these were indeed Spanish

20th December 2015, 04:05 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	I think these signs are of Mexican origin corrado26

21st December 2015, 08:51 AM	#4
AndrewVigo Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 3	It is in a Walloon type sword, so not Mexican! And I do not think the Mexicans had the ability to make such quality stamps as used on the kings head. I was given a copy of page 1 of 1000 Marks of European Blademakers. Apparently an 8 pronged sun symbol is quite unique (most have less prongs), and are connected with Alman de Juan of Spain in the 16C

21st December 2015, 11:26 AM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hey there Without entering into the definition of origin, I wonder how is it in high relief or bas-relief, or a photographic problem, focus? In addition, for an accurate, complete picture be advisable or gun na opinion. Affectionately. Fernando K

22nd December 2015, 12:39 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fernando K is sometimes betrayed by the translating engine. I guess he suggests that the picture doesn't show whether the marks are protruding out of the blade or impressed into it. He also suggests that a complete view of the whole sword would help to define its origin ... which i fully agree. Could you that, Andrew ?

6th March 2018, 01:52 PM	#8
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 913	A blade with similar 'crowned bearded head' marks mounted as a hunting sword with mid 18th century London silver hallmarks is reported to have been sold as lot 310 by Taylor & Fletcher on 22 Feb 2018.

6th March 2018, 05:22 PM	#9
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,089	Wundes? If the sword (once we see it!) is of the late 17th/early 18th, could this be a variation of the Wundes Brothers stamp, as found on German and English hangers of the above mentioned period. Mark