Partisan 16t - 17th ?

Lansquenet59 · 15th May 2020, 07:27 PM

Hello,

Can you tell me more about the engraving of this partisan? According to you, is it from the 16th or 17th century?

On one side is represented Saint Jean Baptiste and the lamb of God and the other a coat of arms, I think Spanish but which one?
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Lansquenet59 · 15th May 2020, 07:29 PM

full view

corrado26 · 16th May 2020, 08:31 AM

What I can see is a part of the great coat of arms of the kingdom of Spain before 1600. So I think your partisan was belonging to a troop in duty at the Spanish court

fernando · 16th May 2020, 02:01 PM

Sharp eye, Udo

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Amazing how this style is so similar to MY EXAMPLE, which i took as Portuguese. But then, we can not ignore the Iberian context.

Lansquenet59 · 16th May 2020, 05:22 PM

Thanks for the information. Indeed the similarity is exact Fernando. I think the borders are permeable for this type of weapon

fernando · 16th May 2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lansquenet59

Thanks for the information. Indeed the similarity is exact Fernando. I think the borders are permeable for this type of weapon

This one ... and not only

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Will M · 17th May 2020, 04:10 AM

Is it possible to highlight the details?
This one is very good partisan eye candy.

Lansquenet59 · 17th May 2020, 07:22 PM

Here are other pictures

fernando · 17th May 2020, 07:55 PM

Udo, are you sure this is the Royal coat of arms of Spain ? Do i see some unusual symbols there ?
Maybe the arms of a Spanish noble house ?

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corrado26 · 18th May 2020, 08:54 AM

May be you are right, the cross could stand for Sardinia, so it may be the Spanish Sardinia variant of 1580-1668. The lamb of God has certainly nothing to do with the coat of arms but what it stands for I don't know. May be it is the lamb of the "Golden Vlies"?

fernando · 18th May 2020, 07:48 PM

Looks to me like a cross potent (Jerusalem).
Interestingly the coat of arms you show has the Portuguese inescutcheon; which make sense as, by then, Portugal was part of the Filipes crown.

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AndreaFeraro89 · 24th May 2020, 06:04 PM

Hi all,
beautiful example of a Partisan!
Maybe it looks like a beginning of XVI century model, maybe Northern Italy production.

Details that suggest me this datation are :
-presence of pointille technique, in use between the end of XV and beginning of XVI century.
-presence of an hight crest on the center that is very tipical of italian production between the last quarter of XV century, beginning of XVI. You can see same geometry on some venetian estoc blades.
-You can see, from comparison with the later example you have, also that the socket have a more conical shape and octagonal section (very typical also of XV-XVI century hafted weapons made in Italy).
-The shape is very triangular and the base of blade is very very large (also typical of this region-date. You will notice that in the later example the blade shape is not as triangular, and near the point the angulation became more repentine, this is peculiar of second half of XVI-XVII century partisans.

You can find some examples here, Italian as suggested by RA too.

https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23739.html
https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2648.html

Cheers
Giovanni

15th May 2020, 07:27 PM	#1
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Partisan 16t - 17th ? Hello, Can you tell me more about the engraving of this partisan? According to you, is it from the 16th or 17th century? On one side is represented Saint Jean Baptiste and the lamb of God and the other a coat of arms, I think Spanish but which one? Attached Images Attached Images

15th May 2020, 07:29 PM	#2
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	full view Attached Images

16th May 2020, 08:31 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	What I can see is a part of the great coat of arms of the kingdom of Spain before 1600. So I think your partisan was belonging to a troop in duty at the Spanish court Attached Images

17th May 2020, 07:22 PM	#8
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Here are other pictures Attached Images

17th May 2020, 07:55 PM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Udo, are you sure this is the Royal coat of arms of Spain ? Do i see some unusual symbols there ? Maybe the arms of a Spanish noble house ? . . Attached Images

16th May 2020, 02:01 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Sharp eye, Udo . Amazing how this style is so similar to MY EXAMPLE, which i took as Portuguese. But then, we can not ignore the Iberian context.

16th May 2020, 05:22 PM	#5
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Thanks for the information. Indeed the similarity is exact Fernando. I think the borders are permeable for this type of weapon

17th May 2020, 04:10 AM	#7
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	Is it possible to highlight the details? This one is very good partisan eye candy.

18th May 2020, 08:54 AM	#10
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	May be you are right, the cross could stand for Sardinia, so it may be the Spanish Sardinia variant of 1580-1668. The lamb of God has certainly nothing to do with the coat of arms but what it stands for I don't know. May be it is the lamb of the "Golden Vlies"? Attached Images Last edited by corrado26; 18th May 2020 at 09:09 AM.

18th May 2020, 07:48 PM	#11
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Looks to me like a cross potent (Jerusalem). Interestingly the coat of arms you show has the Portuguese inescutcheon; which make sense as, by then, Portugal was part of the Filipes crown. . Attached Images

24th May 2020, 06:04 PM	#12
AndreaFeraro89 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 13	Hi all, beautiful example of a Partisan! Maybe it looks like a beginning of XVI century model, maybe Northern Italy production. Details that suggest me this datation are : -presence of pointille technique, in use between the end of XV and beginning of XVI century. -presence of an hight crest on the center that is very tipical of italian production between the last quarter of XV century, beginning of XVI. You can see same geometry on some venetian estoc blades. -You can see, from comparison with the later example you have, also that the socket have a more conical shape and octagonal section (very typical also of XV-XVI century hafted weapons made in Italy). -The shape is very triangular and the base of blade is very very large (also typical of this region-date. You will notice that in the later example the blade shape is not as triangular, and near the point the angulation became more repentine, this is peculiar of second half of XVI-XVII century partisans. You can find some examples here, Italian as suggested by RA too. https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23739.html https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2648.html Cheers Giovanni