what is this? Ottoman Caucasian Balkans?

Kubur · 20th May 2014, 10:40 PM

Hi everybody

Do you know what are these pistols?

Thanks

trenchwarfare · 21st May 2014, 03:32 AM

I've never seen anything like them. The grips are mounted on a frame, that is very similar to what you would find on a pinfire, or early rim/centerfire revolver. The fore end is unusual, with a "Schnabel" finial. The lock on the top pistol looks odd, like what you would find on tourista pieces from Turkey in the 1950s-60s. What are the grip panels made of?

Runjeet Singh · 21st May 2014, 10:03 AM

Dear Kubur,

It is hard to give a definitive answer without seeing close-ups'. Even then it may not be possible! But it seems as though there is a mix of styles.

My guess would be Ottoman/Balkan - I have seen Ottoman pistols with later applied grips from Montenegro / Bosnia before - a possibility to consider.

Regards
Runjeet Singh

Kubur · 21st May 2014, 08:52 PM

Dear Runjeet & Trench,

Thanks both
it is brass
it was my first idea, Bosniac/ottoman
but i found this Persian pistol who looks similar...
Any idea about Persian pistols?

Kind regards,
Kubur

Oliver Pinchot · 25th May 2014, 05:18 AM

They're Balkan-- perhaps Montenegrin, interesting that the butts emulate the form of the Gasser revolver. Consider that when they were holstered or thrust through the belt, only the grips would show.

Kubur · 3rd June 2014, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

They're Balkan-- perhaps Montenegrin, interesting that the butts emulate the form of the Gasser revolver. Consider that when they were holstered or thrust through the belt, only the grips would show.

I will do some photos of the grip.
Thanks!

Kubur · 30th August 2014, 12:23 AM

Photos of the grips
Sorry... better late than never...

RDGAC · 1st September 2014, 11:28 AM

That looks like a very modern screw in the grip you show in close-up; is the grip, as it looks, cast brass? The screw holding the cock to the tumbler square also looks very new, and held in rather crudely with a washer; bit suspect. I'm wondering if these were knocked up for tourists.

Have you had a look at the lock innards, and checked to see if either barrel has a load down it?

- Meredydd

Kubur · 1st September 2014, 04:35 PM

Hello Sir,

I'm very afraid that you are right fro the screws.
The pan and frizzen are very well connected to the barrel.
But the cock is a little bit lose so the screw is probably new.
For the grips, they really look like original.
The overall impression of the gun is good, it doesn't look like a toy or a bad copy from Ankara/Istanbul.
I'm happy with the Montenegrin proposal of Runjeet & Oliver.

Best wishes
K.

20th May 2014, 10:40 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	what is this? Ottoman Caucasian Balkans? Hi everybody Do you know what are these pistols? Thanks Attached Images

21st May 2014, 08:52 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Dear Runjeet & Trench, Thanks both it is brass it was my first idea, Bosniac/ottoman but i found this Persian pistol who looks similar... Any idea about Persian pistols? Kind regards, Kubur Attached Images

25th May 2014, 05:18 AM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	They're Balkan-- perhaps Montenegrin, interesting that the butts emulate the form of the Gasser revolver. Consider that when they were holstered or thrust through the belt, only the grips would show. Last edited by Oliver Pinchot; 25th May 2014 at 05:42 AM.

30th August 2014, 12:23 AM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Photos of the grips Sorry... better late than never... Attached Images

21st May 2014, 03:32 AM	#2
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	I've never seen anything like them. The grips are mounted on a frame, that is very similar to what you would find on a pinfire, or early rim/centerfire revolver. The fore end is unusual, with a "Schnabel" finial. The lock on the top pistol looks odd, like what you would find on tourista pieces from Turkey in the 1950s-60s. What are the grip panels made of?

21st May 2014, 10:03 AM	#3
Runjeet Singh Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warwickshire, England Posts: 150	Dear Kubur, It is hard to give a definitive answer without seeing close-ups'. Even then it may not be possible! But it seems as though there is a mix of styles. My guess would be Ottoman/Balkan - I have seen Ottoman pistols with later applied grips from Montenegro / Bosnia before - a possibility to consider. Regards Runjeet Singh

1st September 2014, 11:28 AM	#8
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	That looks like a very modern screw in the grip you show in close-up; is the grip, as it looks, cast brass? The screw holding the cock to the tumbler square also looks very new, and held in rather crudely with a washer; bit suspect. I'm wondering if these were knocked up for tourists. Have you had a look at the lock innards, and checked to see if either barrel has a load down it? - Meredydd

1st September 2014, 04:35 PM	#9
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hello Sir, I'm very afraid that you are right fro the screws. The pan and frizzen are very well connected to the barrel. But the cock is a little bit lose so the screw is probably new. For the grips, they really look like original. The overall impression of the gun is good, it doesn't look like a toy or a bad copy from Ankara/Istanbul. I'm happy with the Montenegrin proposal of Runjeet & Oliver. Best wishes K.