Yataghan Mystery

TVV · 7th October 2009, 06:36 PM

Gentlemen,

I need your help to hopefully solve a mystery item. The yataghan (let's call it a yataghan for now) in the attached images was acquired in Bulgaria.
As you can see, the date is 1864/1865, and there is plenty of gold koftgari.
What bothers me are the bone grip scales, which seem a little inferior when compared to the rest of the piece - I would have expected walruss ivory.
The shape looks like something half way between a khyber knife and a yataghan.
According to my friend, who owns it, there may be a faint wootz pattern, but you can not really see it on the pictures.

So what is your opinion - is this an authentic item, or a modern reproduction? If authentic, where do you thing this is from? Could it be a Persian interpretation of a yataghan?

Thank you in advance for your comments,
Teodor

ariel · 7th October 2009, 10:23 PM

I am sure it is real, and the handle reminds me of a North-African pattern. Would be nice to see its real profile.
I have a N. Afr. one, with real wootz.

Gavin Nugent · 7th October 2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I am sure it is real, and the handle reminds me of a North-African pattern. Would be nice to see its real profile.
I have a N. Afr. one, with real wootz.

I'm with Ariel on this one too, there is a Flyssa profile there too so the connection makes sense.

Gav

TVV · 10th November 2009, 07:03 PM

Just like you I was confused about the size of this dagger - I labeled it as a yataghan, but it is much smaller, actually. Here it is together with another very similar dagger and with a k98 bayonet for scale comparison.

According to the seller's story (same seller for both), these two belonged to a family from North-Eastern Bulgaria - Dobrudja. When the family split up, one sibling took the scabbards, who were made of silver, and the other got the knives.

Maybe if someone can help translate the cartouches, we will learn more.

Best regards,
Teodor

Atlantia · 10th November 2009, 07:13 PM

Hi Teodor,

Very interesting knives/daggers.

LOL, what is with the forum? I was only getting the one post, so have just worked out the dates. Bloody IE!
Anyhoooo............

7th October 2009, 06:36 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Yataghan Mystery Gentlemen, I need your help to hopefully solve a mystery item. The yataghan (let's call it a yataghan for now) in the attached images was acquired in Bulgaria. As you can see, the date is 1864/1865, and there is plenty of gold koftgari. What bothers me are the bone grip scales, which seem a little inferior when compared to the rest of the piece - I would have expected walruss ivory. The shape looks like something half way between a khyber knife and a yataghan. According to my friend, who owns it, there may be a faint wootz pattern, but you can not really see it on the pictures. So what is your opinion - is this an authentic item, or a modern reproduction? If authentic, where do you thing this is from? Could it be a Persian interpretation of a yataghan? Thank you in advance for your comments, Teodor Attached Images

10th November 2009, 07:03 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Dagger Mystery & Translation Request Just like you I was confused about the size of this dagger - I labeled it as a yataghan, but it is much smaller, actually. Here it is together with another very similar dagger and with a k98 bayonet for scale comparison. According to the seller's story (same seller for both), these two belonged to a family from North-Eastern Bulgaria - Dobrudja. When the family split up, one sibling took the scabbards, who were made of silver, and the other got the knives. Maybe if someone can help translate the cartouches, we will learn more. Best regards, Teodor Attached Images Last edited by TVV; 10th November 2009 at 07:05 PM. Reason: Title Change

7th October 2009, 10:23 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am sure it is real, and the handle reminds me of a North-African pattern. Would be nice to see its real profile. I have a N. Afr. one, with real wootz.

10th November 2009, 07:13 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Teodor, Very interesting knives/daggers. LOL, what is with the forum? I was only getting the one post, so have just worked out the dates. Bloody IE! Anyhoooo............