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Old 1st March 2022, 09:14 PM   #1
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Hi Peter, are you able to upload images of any of those tobacco jars? It would be interesting to compare, thanks.
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Old 2nd March 2022, 07:42 AM   #2
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As a help to compare here are photos of a genuine Naples made pistol from the Real Fabbrica di Napoli. I think the pistol in question was made either in Spain or in America
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Old 2nd March 2022, 09:58 AM   #3
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Here is a tobacco jar made in Delft, 18th century, with decoration inspired from the colonies, note the 'Indian' , original inhabitant of the Americas, and the VOC monogram on the right of the jar.
photo courtesy, Rob Michiels auctions - 2016
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Old 2nd March 2022, 04:28 PM   #4
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Thanks, Fernando K, Udo and Peter.
I have been unable to find other metal work
with such motifs. What could be the connection
between the two, European heraldic and
New World indigenes?
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Old 2nd March 2022, 10:41 PM   #5
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Hello

Question for Conrrado. The little hole that can be seen behind the bowl is for a "faithful", missing in this case and what is the method to fix the flange to the plate.
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Old 3rd March 2022, 09:05 AM   #6
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I do not understand what you mean with a "Faithful". I added photos which show the hole in which I stuck a screwdriver to show that the hole is going through. I do not know for which purpose this has been made and can see no sense in it, sorry.
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Old 3rd March 2022, 07:13 PM   #7
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Hello, Corrado

The "faithful" was a method used by the Spanish to fix cylindrical pieces, instead of proceeding to thread them, particularly with the frizen screw, so that it would not move, turn or come out. LAVIN mentions them in his work

Thanks for the photo and for replying.

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Old 5th March 2022, 09:30 PM   #8
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I added photos which show the hole in which I stuck a screwdriver to show that the hole is going through. I do not know for which purpose this has been made and can see no sense in it, sorry.
This hole looks like it held a crosspin that retains the tenon that projects from the rear portion of the priming pan cover plate / bridle. This tenon fits into a corresponding hole or mortise in the lockplate, and the perpendicular crosspin helps anchor it. As Fernando correctly points out, this tenon cannot be a threaded bolt because there is no way that the plate/bridle can be rotated into place under the pan.

Whether this pin, for this particular application, can be regarded as a fiel in light of the rather precise definition of same in old texts is a subject for another post. However, at this point we can be clear that the mounting of the priming pan bridle / cover plate is a separate issue from the frizzen pivot (mounted just ahead of the pan).
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