Pics: Jawa Demam Hilts

ganjawulung · 17th May 2007, 05:32 PM

Dear All,

I always keep these "three brothers" in one place. I believe, they are all brothers. I found these three brothers in Cirebon, north-west side of Central Java. In the old days, people in this region (including Tegal), they wore their identities: some times other people's identity. Maybe, these Jawa Demam too..

I hope you don't feel disturb with pictures of my collections...

ganjawulung

David · 17th May 2007, 07:40 PM

Thanks Ganja, nice hilts. I also have two keris with raksasa hilts that i call brothers and keep together, so i understand your thinking.

I might be off base, but that first example (on the left in the photo of all 3) of yours looks a bit Sumatran.

Marcokeris · 18th May 2007, 02:19 PM

Nice Hits Ganja!
A question: how is possible to understand in right way if the Jawa Demam's handles are from Cirebon area istead of Sumatra.
There are some angles (maybe in the bacK?) or is fonly for decoration or for the cut in the base?
Thanks

Here i put a photo of many other Yogya brothers ( a chics'brood !)

ganjawulung · 18th May 2007, 05:53 PM

Dear Marco,

Cirebon was an important Sultanate in Indonesia, in the 15th and 16th century. And it was an important port too in Java and South-east Asia beside Malacca. You still can find many of foreign influence in Cirebon until today. In the old days, even (Chinese great seaman) Cheng Ho had visited this port in the nort-west side of Central Java.

Cirebon's culture, was mixture of Indian, Arabic and Chinese influence. So, no wonder if other island culture and art influenced Cirebon too. One of their famous Sultan was Sunan Gunung Jati. He was mix-blood of Persian, Javanese (grand father is the King of Pajajaran Kingdom, Prabu Siliwangi), and he was married to a chinese princess Ong Tin Nio -- daughter of Ming dynasti from Champa or China.

Cirebon was the aliance of other Islamic Kingdom in Nusantara, Demak (Central Java) and Banten (West Java). So, no wonder too if there was Sumatranese influence.

I have many kinds of Cirebonese hilts, beside the Jawa Deman style, and even Rajamala (shorter than kingfisher's nose), and wayang or bajang (demon-giant) hilts. Quite unique.

Alam Shah · 18th May 2007, 06:07 PM

Ganja,

Hmmm... your first 3 paragraphs seems familiar (Keris - 3rd Ed?).

Ganja, if you don't mind, share the pictures with us?

ganjawulung · 20th May 2007, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Ganja, if you don't mind, share the pictures with us?

Shahrial,

Sorry for being late to answer you. Of course, I will share the pictures with you, with pleasure. I am still taking fotos of them. Pls wait for a couple moments...

ganjawulung · 22nd May 2007, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Ganja,

Hmmm... your first 3 paragraphs seems familiar (Keris - 3rd Ed?).

Ganja, if you don't mind, share the pictures with us?

Dear Shahrial,

As I promised yesterday, I will share the pictures with you. These are some Cirebonese hilt. Not "demam" (fever) anymore, look at the hand position: no more cross their hearts, but lay their hand at their bent knees.

Some people call such hilt as "buta bajang" (demon-giant), or "wayang" hilt. The long nose one, is Rajamala hilt. A wayang figure..

17th May 2007, 05:32 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Pics: Jawa Demam Hilts Dear All, I always keep these "three brothers" in one place. I believe, they are all brothers. I found these three brothers in Cirebon, north-west side of Central Java. In the old days, people in this region (including Tegal), they wore their identities: some times other people's identity. Maybe, these Jawa Demam too.. I hope you don't feel disturb with pictures of my collections... ganjawulung Attached Images

18th May 2007, 02:19 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice Hits Ganja! A question: how is possible to understand in right way if the Jawa Demam's handles are from Cirebon area istead of Sumatra. There are some angles (maybe in the bacK?) or is fonly for decoration or for the cut in the base? Thanks Here i put a photo of many other Yogya brothers ( a chics'brood !) Attached Images

18th May 2007, 05:53 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Cirebon Dear Marco, Cirebon was an important Sultanate in Indonesia, in the 15th and 16th century. And it was an important port too in Java and South-east Asia beside Malacca. You still can find many of foreign influence in Cirebon until today. In the old days, even (Chinese great seaman) Cheng Ho had visited this port in the nort-west side of Central Java. Cirebon's culture, was mixture of Indian, Arabic and Chinese influence. So, no wonder if other island culture and art influenced Cirebon too. One of their famous Sultan was Sunan Gunung Jati. He was mix-blood of Persian, Javanese (grand father is the King of Pajajaran Kingdom, Prabu Siliwangi), and he was married to a chinese princess Ong Tin Nio -- daughter of Ming dynasti from Champa or China. Cirebon was the aliance of other Islamic Kingdom in Nusantara, Demak (Central Java) and Banten (West Java). So, no wonder too if there was Sumatranese influence. I have many kinds of Cirebonese hilts, beside the Jawa Deman style, and even Rajamala (shorter than kingfisher's nose), and wayang or bajang (demon-giant) hilts. Quite unique.

17th May 2007, 07:40 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Thanks Ganja, nice hilts. I also have two keris with raksasa hilts that i call brothers and keep together, so i understand your thinking. I might be off base, but that first example (on the left in the photo of all 3) of yours looks a bit Sumatran.

18th May 2007, 06:07 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Ganja, Hmmm... your first 3 paragraphs seems familiar (Keris - 3rd Ed?). Ganja, if you don't mind, share the pictures with us?