Badik for comments

mariusgmioc · 27th February 2021, 01:23 PM

I recently got this Badik.

Is it from Java?

Van somebody make sense of the inscription and punch mark?

fernando · 27th February 2021, 01:45 PM

A senseless inscription .. and a real silver mark ?

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Interested Party · 27th February 2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

A senseless inscription .. and a real silver mark ?

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There seems to be logic in that statement, did the Dutch institute a system of silver proof marks in the region?

It is a very pretty piece Marius. Does the button on the end of the sheath show Bugis influence?

I'm an odd duck in that what would drive me crazy is trying to figure out what vegetation the artist is trying to show. Especially the flowers.

Good luck on deciphering the inscription.

Gustav · 27th February 2021, 02:37 PM

"Taoen" is an old way to write "Tahun" in Dutch Indies, Tahun means year, so year 1846.

"Oemie" could be a name, it occurs in what today is Indonesia, but... it's a womans name.

"Brat" might be "Berat" (the "e" is almost inaudible, like in "Keris/Kris", so the old way is not to write it), weight or taxing; a digit after that word could make sense, but "Doe" escapes me, and I don't know of an old "Indonesian" or Dutch unit for which it could stand.

Yes, it could be from island of Java, possibly an european sword blade point.
Very nice silver work.

mariusgmioc · 27th February 2021, 05:30 PM

Thank you very much!

The blade appears to be laminated so I assume it is local production.

Peter Andeweg · 27th February 2021, 06:59 PM

Nice Badek,
The angle of the hilt indicates Javanese style, but the knob on the end of the scabbard and style of decoration points me to Sumatra more then Java. Some of these are attributed to Bugis, Celebes, but those often have a different angle in the hilt.

The Dutch used a hallmark to indicate imported silver, a swan and a letter 'z'. I can't decipher your mark on the scabbard, but there is a possibility it is one of those.
However, Indonesian silver was often unmarked until 1930 were hallmarks became obligated.

Nice badek!, Oh, I already mentioned that

Peter

Gustav · 27th February 2021, 07:30 PM

The scabbard style, with this kind of Buntut at the end (and of course Badik as a kind of weapon) originated in Celebes, and descend from Alamang scabbards (and Alamang belong to the oldest and most revered regalia in South Celebes). Of course this style of scabbard did spread also on Sumatra, but hilt and style of decoration on this example are typical for island of Java.

A different style of Buntut called Buntut Lipas is the one, which would be typical for Sumatra (and Malay states).

paolo · 28th February 2021, 08:56 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13930

Sajen · 28th February 2021, 04:44 PM

Very nice badik and I would agree with Gustav about the Javanese origin.

Regards,
Detlef

paolo · 1st March 2021, 09:04 AM

This is a message I received time ago about writings :

Quote:

Originally Posted by klewang

Hello Paolo,

On youre badik there is the word ''taoen 1846'' written, this is the old spelling for the Indonesian word ''tahun''. So ''taoen 1846'' would say in English ''the year 1846''.
Hope this helps.

regards Chris

27th February 2021, 01:23 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Badik for comments I recently got this Badik. Is it from Java? Van somebody make sense of the inscription and punch mark? Attached Images

27th February 2021, 02:37 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	"Taoen" is an old way to write "Tahun" in Dutch Indies, Tahun means year, so year 1846. "Oemie" could be a name, it occurs in what today is Indonesia, but... it's a womans name. "Brat" might be "Berat" (the "e" is almost inaudible, like in "Keris/Kris", so the old way is not to write it), weight or taxing; a digit after that word could make sense, but "Doe" escapes me, and I don't know of an old "Indonesian" or Dutch unit for which it could stand. Yes, it could be from island of Java, possibly an european sword blade point. Very nice silver work. Last edited by Gustav; 27th February 2021 at 02:56 PM.

27th February 2021, 07:30 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	The scabbard style, with this kind of Buntut at the end (and of course Badik as a kind of weapon) originated in Celebes, and descend from Alamang scabbards (and Alamang belong to the oldest and most revered regalia in South Celebes). Of course this style of scabbard did spread also on Sumatra, but hilt and style of decoration on this example are typical for island of Java. A different style of Buntut called Buntut Lipas is the one, which would be typical for Sumatra (and Malay states). Last edited by Gustav; 27th February 2021 at 07:41 PM.

27th February 2021, 01:45 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A senseless inscription .. and a real silver mark ? .

27th February 2021, 05:30 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Thank you very much! The blade appears to be laminated so I assume it is local production.

27th February 2021, 06:59 PM	#6
Peter Andeweg Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Vlissingen, Netherlands Posts: 71	Nice Badek, The angle of the hilt indicates Javanese style, but the knob on the end of the scabbard and style of decoration points me to Sumatra more then Java. Some of these are attributed to Bugis, Celebes, but those often have a different angle in the hilt. The Dutch used a hallmark to indicate imported silver, a swan and a letter 'z'. I can't decipher your mark on the scabbard, but there is a possibility it is one of those. However, Indonesian silver was often unmarked until 1930 were hallmarks became obligated. Nice badek!, Oh, I already mentioned that Peter

28th February 2021, 08:56 AM	#8
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13930

28th February 2021, 04:44 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	Very nice badik and I would agree with Gustav about the Javanese origin. Regards, Detlef