![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 692
|
![]()
7402497942
Horrible... I would guess that it is a rather modern india production. Any thoughs? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Athens Greece
Posts: 479
|
![]()
No. IMO the sword is antique. Ottoman empire. The scabbard is newer and Indian.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 692
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Vikingsword Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,167
|
![]()
Looks like a very handsome old sword. I particularly like the blade -- plain but efficient. The silver wash on hilt and scabbard metals shows some wear consistent with the age of the sword.
Did you notice the winning bidder? Artzi generally knows what he is doing. Ian. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Poland, Krakow
Posts: 418
|
![]()
I'm not the expert but seeing and handling some of these swords I'm going to second Yannis and Ian opinions. Looks very fine. And I'm not telling this because of oriental-arms
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 176
|
![]()
I second Yannis on his thoughts, old, authentic, but a new indian scabbard
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,896
|
![]()
I completely agree, this appears to be an early Ottoman example that has been remounted, and clearly a 'sleeper'! As Ian notes, Artzi knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he's one of the best!!! It is not at all unusual for such blades, often heirloom even if not marked, to be remounted. Indian purveyors often remounted older blades along with the many swords they supplied to Arabian buyers in the ongoing trade there, or this may have been as noted, remounted by an owner of a heirloom blade.
What I find distinctly interesting is the 'star of Solomon' on the chowk on one side. I recall years ago when a worn Bedouin sabre on ebay was claimed to be an ancient Jewish sword because of the six point star on the blade! As is now well known, the symbol does occur on Islamic swords, although not particularly often. I am inclined to think that the hilt components and possibly the scabbard furniture may be original and refurbished as well. Although 'restored' in degree, the sword has integrity! I like that ![]() All the best, Jim |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 692
|
![]()
Well I really don't like thatone. I guess that it just isn't of my taste. I haven't noticed thou that it was bought by Mr. Artzi. He one of the best and surely he knows what he is doing. You are completely right.
![]() 6617444195 - I really like thatone, but again, Mr. Arzi shows no mercy ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,503
|
![]()
Strictly speaking, it is not shamshir but Kilij.
It has a yelman, and it is not very curved. Typical Ottoman sword, old and in a relatively good shape for a 200-300 year old blade. I have seen previews of Sharon Stone in "Fatal Attraction II" and this sword looks fresh and pristine in comparison. The scabbard is oldish, but obviously a replacement. I was intrigued by the drag: don't you think it has some Afghani flavour? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,896
|
![]()
Hi Ariel,
Very astutely observed!! on both the sword and the movie!! ![]() ![]() Well observed on the chape as well, perhaps a Northern India furbisher, possibly port regions now Pakistan? All best, Jim |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,503
|
![]()
I am getting old: the correct title of the flick where Ms. Stone shows her... yelman?.. is "Basic Instinct"
![]() ![]() "Fatal Attraction" is a totally different psychoporn, and the only common denominator is Michael Douglas proving to us that having an affair with a long-legged blonde may be dangerous to your health. ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 176
|
![]() Quote:
One question Jim, you say that there was a market for such blades in Arabia? Ive never seen a single saif with a short blade like this, with a deep yelmen(that doesnt mean that they're are not there ![]() Most have either Persian curvy blades, or local blades with slight curves, or fully straight. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,896
|
![]()
Hi Mike,
My error! My comments were made prior to uh, Sharon Stone and the yelman which I did not notice!! ![]() You are correct, the kilij type blades were not particularly favored by the Arabs, and I agree, I have not seen such blades on any Arab saif. I was thinking of the shamshir blades. I'm with Ariel...maybe we are getting old...er !! ![]() All the best, Jim |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 176
|
![]() Quote:
![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|