Kindjal ID

templarnight · 11th April 2012, 04:45 PM

Hi. Can anyone help with the ID of this Kndjal.
The Blade is very nice and the Silver Mounts also.

Total length is 55cm, Blade 49cm.

Many thanks

Dom · 11th April 2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by templarnight

Hi. Can anyone help with the ID of this Kndjal

Hi templarnight
sorry to don't have pertinent comments, but my knowledge about "kindjal" is very limited

nevertheless, I may to appreciate a beautiful edged weapon when I see, one
yours it's realy very attractive

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Dom

Robert · 11th April 2012, 05:34 PM

Hello Templarnight, like Dom I have nothing pertinent to say about your kndjal that would help on its ID or age but I must say WOW !!!

That is one very beautiful weapon and my congratulations to you for being able to acquire such a nice example. I'm sure the experts here will be answering your questions shortly.

Robert

Iain · 11th April 2012, 05:43 PM

Not my area, but I also have to jump in to say that's a heck of a blade you have there.

I look forward to learning more about it.

Dom · 11th April 2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by templarnight

Hi. Can anyone help with the ID of this Kndjal

here a link, with a post concerning, roughly the same "kindjal"

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12724

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Dom

Sajen · 11th April 2012, 06:31 PM

And one more who can't help by your question but like Dom I know when I see a great blade and this is such a blade!

Congrats and regards,

Detlef

ariel · 11th April 2012, 11:45 PM

It is a better than average kindjal, to put it mildly :-)
The core seems to be of real mechanical damascus. and the handle has "steps" at both ends. According to Kirill Rivkin's book, this is indicative of rather earlier models, before 1850.

Pity it has some deep rust at the edge, but that's not uncommon with Caucasian stuff. The scabbard is new, of course, and it's silver fittings do not seem to match the handle's, but I might be mistaken: better pics might help. The upper one is missing, unfortunately, suggesting heavy-duty renovation of the scabbard. But the kindjal itself, and especially the blade are very, very, very nice. I would try to etch it a little: would not be surprised to find a "hamon"-like edge. Caucasians used the same technique as the Japanese.
Very nice one, congratulations!

Jeff D · 12th April 2012, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

... According to Kirill Rivkin's book, ...

Kirill published a book? How do I find it?

Jeff

ariel · 12th April 2012, 07:19 AM

https://docs.google.com/present/view...99km_9dvgcqdgc

He and Oliver Pinchot.
It is on the military traditions and the weapons of the Caucasus.
Mostly it is in Russian, with only short summaries of chapters in English, but the devil is in the details, and those are obtainable only from the full text. Legends of the illustrations are also in English, but again, the idiosyncratic style ( very enjoyable!), the argumentation, the context and the little details that are so valuable in the original, are to be found only in the full Russian text. It is very controversial, breaks a lot of taboos and misconceptions and takes no prisoners:-). I like it a lot.

I have spare copies, but currently I am out of town till May 5.
If you need it, but have problems ordering it from a Ukrainian publisher (BTW, a remarkable man, absolute fanatic of historical weapons and a very generous supporter of academic research), get in touch with me after that date.

Jeff D · 13th April 2012, 02:23 AM

Thanks Ariel,

I will try to get a copy and will PM you if I need one of your extras.

Awesome!
Jeff

11th April 2012, 04:45 PM	#1
templarnight Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 87	Kindjal ID Hi. Can anyone help with the ID of this Kndjal. The Blade is very nice and the Silver Mounts also. Total length is 55cm, Blade 49cm. Many thanks Attached Images

11th April 2012, 05:34 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Templarnight, like Dom I have nothing pertinent to say about your kndjal that would help on its ID or age but I must say WOW !!! That is one very beautiful weapon and my congratulations to you for being able to acquire such a nice example. I'm sure the experts here will be answering your questions shortly. Robert

11th April 2012, 05:43 PM	#4
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,693	Not my area, but I also have to jump in to say that's a heck of a blade you have there. I look forward to learning more about it.

11th April 2012, 06:31 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	And one more who can't help by your question but like Dom I know when I see a great blade and this is such a blade! Congrats and regards, Detlef

11th April 2012, 11:45 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It is a better than average kindjal, to put it mildly :-) The core seems to be of real mechanical damascus. and the handle has "steps" at both ends. According to Kirill Rivkin's book, this is indicative of rather earlier models, before 1850. Pity it has some deep rust at the edge, but that's not uncommon with Caucasian stuff. The scabbard is new, of course, and it's silver fittings do not seem to match the handle's, but I might be mistaken: better pics might help. The upper one is missing, unfortunately, suggesting heavy-duty renovation of the scabbard. But the kindjal itself, and especially the blade are very, very, very nice. I would try to etch it a little: would not be surprised to find a "hamon"-like edge. Caucasians used the same technique as the Japanese. Very nice one, congratulations!

12th April 2012, 07:19 AM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	https://docs.google.com/present/view...99km_9dvgcqdgc He and Oliver Pinchot. It is on the military traditions and the weapons of the Caucasus. Mostly it is in Russian, with only short summaries of chapters in English, but the devil is in the details, and those are obtainable only from the full text. Legends of the illustrations are also in English, but again, the idiosyncratic style ( very enjoyable!), the argumentation, the context and the little details that are so valuable in the original, are to be found only in the full Russian text. It is very controversial, breaks a lot of taboos and misconceptions and takes no prisoners:-). I like it a lot. I have spare copies, but currently I am out of town till May 5. If you need it, but have problems ordering it from a Ukrainian publisher (BTW, a remarkable man, absolute fanatic of historical weapons and a very generous supporter of academic research), get in touch with me after that date.

13th April 2012, 02:23 AM	#10
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Thanks Ariel, I will try to get a copy and will PM you if I need one of your extras. Awesome! Jeff