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Hi,
I have previously posted this in the ethnographic section thinking the blade, or blade shape may have come from India, but not much luck. So am re-posting here as a couple of members suggest European is more likely. This axe lives in a museum and is marked as a boarding axe of unknown origin which is fair enough considering the langets, a lanyard ring and a belt hook. But the lack of a spike suggests more weapon than tool and because of this and the marine fittings I am thinking that it is a one of a kind pirate's personal weapon rather than a boarding axe. It is 29.5 inches (75cm) long and the blade is 12 inches (30cm) and very sharp. Any comment appreciated especially about the origin of the blade shape or the studded handle decoration? |
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I would say it is a large Medieval double bearded axe. The shaft is younger than the head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_axe I found this example on Pinterest:"European battle axe, ca.1100-1300". https://www.pinterest.de/siresasa/hi...00-on/?lp=true Regards, Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 1st September 2017 at 02:10 PM. |
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More axes from Haithabu, Viking Axes.
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Possibly a continental hunting accoutrement?
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The belt hook and general style has me thinking Eastern Europe, Poland, possibly Russia.
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Gorgeous piece, but I would agree with the others that this isn't a boarding ax per say. Of course, in the early periods of sail, ANY ax that went to sea could be contrived as a 'boarding ax'. The era of the classic boarding pieces started in the 1600's and were indeed patterned after the spiked, double bearded battle axes. The next 'pattern' to be seen were the fur trade axes coming over to the Americas in the 18th c. This piece being so early probably excludes it from maritime use. Still, the lanyard ring and belt hook throw me, as I've never seen early hunting axes with them.
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Thanks for the links and the Viking axe shapes. The long handle goes well with the Scandinavian heritage, so could be a possibility. CC |
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Hi Mark, Yes it confused me as well, with what we regard as marine fittings when it is obviously not much use as a working boarding axe. But it would still make a handy weapon. I'm inclined to stick with marine for now, but I guess it will remain a bit of a mystery. CC |
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It could originally have been a goosewing axe used to hew timber into beams and planks (useful at sea), and then adapted into a fighting axe? It's unlikely so much effort would have been used to decorate a common tool. The metal studs would have been intended to deflect cuts. The shaft looks later and could have been a fantasy afterthought to enhance supposed martial qualities of the axe head? I have not seen examples of medieval side clips before so could be more recent. The style of decoration look E.European, possibly Polish?
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goosewings or axes made for planking had offset eyes, as in 9, 14, and 17 above view are terrible for weapons.
anecdote: one of the UK 'executioners axes' was an offset carpenter's plank finishing axe, the executioner chosen for a particularly high status execution used it. while he was very experienced, the execution went badly, took him several blows. he was ridiculed and even had vegetables thrown at him in the street. he had a pamphlet printed and distributed to plead his case that the axe they'd foisted on him, not he himself was to blame as he could not strike straight with it. it's designed for shaving wood, not chopping. a straight down blow puts a torque moment on the haft, twisting it in your hands. anyway, the pamphlet didn't help him much. Last edited by kronckew; 3rd September 2017 at 11:19 AM. |
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Thanks for your comments and yes a lot of work went into carving each diamond groove and inserting all those studs in very precise order. I have been searching Russian and Polish weapons without much success. Although studs do appear it is usually only a few not a dense pattern. And thanks Wayne for the interesting story. It's always good to spice (garlic!) up a thread! Regards CC |
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thought i'd seen similar shaped ones before....when in doubt, search the site. while these look a bit lighter looking, they are the only similar shaped axes i've found. bullova axes, as posted by our esteemed vanadoo, sadly gone over the bridge. a progenitor?
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To my eye it looks like an old Scandinavian hewing axe (not a 'goosewing' which is different form) - something with the shadows in the photo tells me it is single-beveled , mounted on a later haft. The elaborated work looks almost 'too good' , so it may be a Victorian-era put-together piece.
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cutlass, can we get a photo of the eye from above?
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Thanks for your input, I suspect your knowledge of axes is much broader than mine! A Victorian piece is a possibility - plenty of battle axe examples - but the belt hook and langets argue against it. Also - and I realise that where/when an item was purchased is of only limited use - this axe was purchased in 1935 in NE United States and has been in the museum ever since. I'm assuming that there was much less cross Atlantic collector traffic back then. Scandinavian keeps cropping up. I have a photo of the other side and the back - see what you think. I still favour the notion that this was someone's personal weapon, put together and decorated with loving care! Could be wrong though. CC |
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Thanks for the straight edge bullova as well. That was my initial thought but there are so many different styles and not many straight edge ones at that. The shape of the head where it passes through the handle seems unlike most bullova fittings. The shape of the eye may help with that. I'll ask politely. |
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Hello everyone,
I'm clearly not an expert and this not in my (little) knowledge area but to me this axe looks to be german like the first of this page: https://fr.pinterest.com/pin/68046644344684758/ So maybe this assumption could be a way to explore? Best regards, Clement |
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i guess if you cut or broke the pointy ends off it you could make one like the subject axe, but that would hold for a lot of axe variants. german, scandi, russian is of course likely sources, but that covers a lot of ground too. i'm starting with an assumption the head was made like that and not salvaged from a broken head.
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I still think it looks E.European with some Germanic influence. Polish, Styrian (S.Austria), Saxon (perhaps used by settlers in Transylvania?). What's odd with it is the combination of decoration with martial style. Most war axes with wooden handles which I've seen have been undecorated tools intended strictly for business. They were probably not prestigeous and not carried by the wealthier warriors so there was little need to decorate the shaft.
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yes, who in their right minds would decorate a battle axe haft or blade?
your 'undecorated' ones prove your point nicely. ![]() (sailors especially have lots of time on their hands and can decorate the undecoratable. or noblemen, and officers who had underlings to do it for them) Last edited by kronckew; 9th September 2017 at 10:19 AM. |
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I know this is a long shot but here we have a 17/18thC Hungarian flail. The wooden haft is decorated, and it has an interesting clip attached. Vague similarities with the “pirate’s axe.”
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Hi Victrix,
Thanks for your input. Interesting flail and I'm not sure either what that hook is for. It does not seem to work well as a belt hook. As for the axe blade - I think that will remain a mystery. Scandinavian or E. European are just as likely as each other. I favour the Scandinavian, only because of the greater sea going heritage. Regards, CC |
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it may be to hang the weight from to keep it from flailing about (da debble made me say that
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I like this weapon very much however I tend to agree with those who suggest that the shaft was added much later . To me it is inconceivable that the axe head could become so pitted and the shaft remain so perfect .
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i tell people i have a bronze age axe that is so old, the haft has been replaced five times and the head three.
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