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1st June 2014, 03:56 AM
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Another Cirebon Style?
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1st June 2014, 05:02 AM
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Different type of sarangkas (sheaths)....
Tegal and Cirebonese ladrang...
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1st June 2014, 05:06 AM
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Kebo Kanthong Damar Murub...
The blade, it could be Kebo Kanthong Damar Murub, with Cirebonese iras sheath or sarangka...
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1st June 2014, 05:12 AM
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Singa?
Probably singa? Or naga? With Cirebonese sheath.....
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1st June 2014, 06:18 AM
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Naga Salira keris
Naga Salira keris with Cirebon sarangka....
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1st June 2014, 09:56 AM
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Tegal "perahu kandas" sheath....
Keris cirebon with "perahu kandas" sheath....
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1st June 2014, 09:58 AM
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Cirebon "kudhup kenanga" sheath....
Cirebon keris with "kudhup kenanga" sheath...
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1st June 2014, 10:34 AM
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1st June 2014, 10:40 AM
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Nice to see you here again Ganja and thank you very much for sharing all this beautiful Tegal and Cirebon keris with us! I only have one Cirebon keris here in Germany and one still in Indonesia which still need to get restored.
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1st June 2014, 11:07 AM
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Herded buffalo...
Nice to see you again, Detlef....
Yes, it could be called "kebo giri" as mentioned by Alan (pls refer too to Keris Ensiklopedi, Bambang Harsrinuksmo). Giri means mountain. But it could be also called as "kebo kanthong" as mentioned by Haryono Haryoguritno in his "Keris Jawa" book (2005) keris with extreme long gandhik and long pejetan. Haryono also mentioned keris with very long gandhik as "kebo giring" (herded buffallo) as the word "giring" means to herd cattles... Ganjawulung |
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1st June 2014, 02:51 PM
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Here my Cirebon keris in Cirebon ladrang iras sarung.
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1st June 2014, 06:00 PM
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Dear Detlef,
Cirebon keris with an old "pulungan" hilt, demon-like creature... Is this kris still in Cirebon? I think it is cirebon ladrang sheath of (probably) old chatoyant "trembalo" wood, but repolished... Ganjawulung |
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1st June 2014, 06:26 PM
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yes, this hilt form is very similar to the jawa deman hilts from Sumatra, and no, this one is here in Germany. My other one is on Bali by my family. And yes, I also think that it is trembalo wood. The sheath was black when I get it, maybe because there is an old repair in down at the tip of the gandar. A part of bapangan (back leaf of the warangka) was broken by the transport to Germany so the complete sarung is restored and has get some coats shellac. Good eye!  Regards, Detlef |
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1st June 2014, 07:20 PM
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Sometimes I prefer to keep the “original” colour of the thick-dark cirebon keris sheath, just to help me imagining of how people in the old days “felt” their kerises in their hands. As you see in my first picture (above) of black “walian” type of sheath with cirebonese topengan, and “kudhup kenanga” type of iras sheath. Looks more antique... They could be ‘chatoyant’ if repolished, probably.
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1st June 2014, 10:04 PM
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2nd June 2014, 09:39 AM
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Welcome back to the forum! Is it from Cirebon or Tegal? Regards 
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2nd June 2014, 09:57 AM
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Other specimens of gayaman style warangkas from Cirebon?
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2nd June 2014, 07:00 PM
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Could be West Java...
Dear Jean,
Some, if not most -- of Cirebon styles of warangka came from West Javan style. If you go to Geusan Ulun Museum of Sumedang, one of the most complete museum in Western part of Java which still preserve old specimens of West Javan (Pasundan) kerises, you may still find some example of old West Javan warangka style there. Some of their kerises are heirlooms of Pajajaran kingdom.... These are some of the specimens of the old West Javan styles of warangka from the Geusan Ulun Museum. You may compare to your specimens below.. Ganjawulung Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd June 2014 at 03:35 AM. |
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2nd June 2014, 08:51 PM
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Pak Ganja,
Very interesting, thanks and please show us more of these little-known krisses! Best regards |
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3rd June 2014, 03:40 AM
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Geusan Ulun Collection...
Dear Jean,
Here are some other specimens from Geusan Ulun Collection. I went there quite a couple of times. And the last time, I went to the museum..... with our friend, Dave Henkel last February.... Second from right, it could be Balinese... Ganjawulung |
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3rd June 2014, 04:07 AM
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Specimens from Geusan Ulun Museum...
The blades, most of the sizes are "corok" (oversized?), of more than 40 cm of length... Usually they wear in front of right thigh (they call it this way, "disoren" or in Central Javanese.... "anganggar")... * Correction: left thigh, not right thigh (Thank you, David for the correction)
These are some other specimens from Geusan Ulun Museum... Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd June 2014 at 05:59 PM. |
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3rd June 2014, 04:17 AM
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Curuk Aul....
And many other specimens.... You may look at them, if you visit the museum in the centre of Sumedang. Former palace of Geusan Ulun, the last king of Sumedang -- before degraded to "kabupaten" (lower than kingdom) in the Mataram Era....
One of the most interesting heirlooms were, pusakas from Pajajaran kingdom, before Pajajaran kingdom was destroyed by Banten kingdom. These pusaka were brought to Sumedang by special envoy from Pajajaran called as "Kandaga Lante" or envoy who brought pusaka from Pajajaran. The form of the pusakas from Pajajaran are very interesting, combination between "golok" and keris. They call their pusaka as "Curuk Aul" or "Forefinger Ghost".... Ganjawulung Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd June 2014 at 04:28 AM. |
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3rd June 2014, 04:21 AM
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The main pusaka....
But, the main pusaka of Geusan Ulun is a big sized keris they call it as "Ki Dukun" (The Shaman) of luk five keris, beautiful keris, longer than normal javanese keris with gold plated sarangka or sheath....
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3rd June 2014, 04:25 AM
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Crown of "Bino Kasih"....
The special envoy of Pajajaran, it said, also brought all the important attributes of Pajajaran -- to symbolized the hand over of the kingdom before the collapse of Pajajaran to the attack of Surosowan or Banten Kingdom (the attack of coalition of Islamic "pesisiran" or coastal kingdoms of Demak, Cirebon and Banten) -- such as, crowns and some other gold attributes...
The crown of Hindhu kingdom of Pajajaran, they call it as "Bino Kasih" Crown, still kept until nowadays..... Ganjawulung Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd June 2014 at 06:02 PM. |
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3rd June 2014, 04:34 AM
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Ilustration from YouTube....
Some illustrations of how they wear the keris in western part of Java, you may look at illustration in You Tube. My friend, Ki Buyut Rongke uploaded this illustration ("Sampiung Pancaniti", means sacred song of Pancaniti) at You Tube... Hopefully it is allowed to link the illustration in this forum....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW0CyiyrUV8 Ganjawulung Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd June 2014 at 11:03 AM. |
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3rd June 2014, 09:24 AM
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Thank you very much for posting the pictures and the link!
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3rd June 2014, 05:10 PM
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3rd June 2014, 05:52 PM
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Yes, yes, yes...... You are right. Exactly. "Nyoren" always on left thigh. And that is one of the reasons, why Sundanese kerises most of them are longer in blade size. Like swords. Sometimes, they wear smaller kerises at rear. But many more on their thigh. These other specimen below, is Cirebonese but could be called Sundanese too, collection of Pancaniti Museum of Indramayu, about less than 100 km from Cirebon... Ganjawulung |
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3rd June 2014, 06:13 PM
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Ki Buyut Sidum....
Another precious heirloom of West Javan keris, also kept in Pancaniti Museum, Indramayu -- very small and temporary museum at the front of the office of Bupati (Regent) of Indramayu -- "Nagasasra" keris but with luk 9 (Nagasasra Majapahit and Mataram, usually luk 13). The sarangka or sheath is Cirebonese. Very special sarangka, with "padma" (lotus) ornaments at the upper part of the sheath. They call the keris as "Ki Buyut Sidum" attributed to the last nobleman, owner of this high quality keris -- although most of the kinatah or gold ornaments are worn out...
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3rd June 2014, 06:21 PM
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Another close up of Sidum...
Ki Buyut Sidum, from another angle....
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