![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: San Diego
Posts: 56
|
![]()
Hello; I recently purchased this short sword. 31 1/4" blade and 38 inches overall. The pommel, quillons and ring guard are decorated with Roman or Greek faces in silver (I think). The blade is marked on both sides "XX FRIDERICO PICININO XX" and an arrowhead and line through a circle. So...is this a short rapier? a riding sword? Italian? Approximate date of manufacture? Any insights are appreciated...
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: Germany
Posts: 67
|
![]()
you're right about Italy. it's a pillow sword around 1600. A beautiful piece that I would also like to have in my collection!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,057
|
![]()
it is not a rapier, a rapier has a minimum length of 112cm to be a rapier.
It is a beautiful silver encrusted transitional sword from between 1645-1655, maybe Dutch. A shortened rapier blade is used for this smallsword. Many transitional (small-)swords have a shortened rapier blade. FREDERICO PICININO was often written in the fuller as a quality indication, it does not mean that Picinino manufactured this blade. If so...... there should be his oval mark of "a tower" and the text around "Picinino" at the ricasso , ps Nice to see the encrusting over the ricasso. May have been slightly longer initially, but need not be, a length of around 1 m was quite common. very nice quality sword best Jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 10th February 2023 at 02:56 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,167
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,057
|
![]()
JP puype mentioned it to me during a discussion about rapiers but I believe it is in one of his publications, his reference was some 16/17th century fencing book that mentions this minimum size.
best, Jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 11th February 2023 at 09:10 AM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,167
|
![]() Quote:
Even Wiki (and google) mentions an 'average' length of 104cm. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,057
|
![]()
It is splitting hairs and I'm happy with any length but what google and wikipedia say about it is about the length that we now measure of what we consider a rapier today.
I'll ask Jp puype the reference when I meet him again. what I shortly could find about rapier lengths is: Sir John Smithe refers in "Instructions, observations and orders mylitarie" 1595 - the rapier blade has a length of 1yard and a quarter and more. (bl+114cm) George Silver Paradoxes of defence, London 1599 does not specifically state rapier length but does state sword blade length for men of tall statures of, a yard and three or foure inches, and no more. (+- 1 meter max). In his opinion Rapiers were longer and could not be used in battle. Together with the grip and pommel this comes to about 112cm allover length max. for swords and rapier to be longer. best, Jasper |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: San Diego
Posts: 56
|
![]()
Guys - is there any chance this might be a child's sword given it's length?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Lead Moderator European Armoury
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
![]()
How about a rapier length to be according to its owner stature. I hear that the ideal length is that in the quillons (crossbar) come up to your belly button, when the point is resting on the floor; between 99 cms. and 114 cms. total length. Just because a little fellow looks to have a sword proportional to his best handling, such would not demoted from the rapier typology.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,896
|
![]() Quote:
As far as I have understood the only specifications setting standard for sword blade length were those prohibiting excessive length rapier blades. The notion of a minimum standard may have been a convention in cases as noted by Mr. Puype. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|