Flintlock Pair, Need help Identifying

Chertbolt · 2nd November 2015, 08:03 PM

Hello all, I've been lurking around the forum for a couple days now looking for some information on a pair of flintlock pistols I am researching. I thought I would join and share what I have here. It is my hope that there may be a few of you that might know some information about these.

I honestly do not have much information about these so I will mostly let the pictures speak for themselves. I will answer any questions to the best of my ability and please request additional pictures if you would like to see more detail.

Also I am aware that the topic of value is not to be discussed on the forum though it is my understanding that I may request that I be privately messaged on that topic?

Thank you for looking

Shakethetrees · 4th November 2015, 04:09 PM

Although they look European at a first glance, I think they're Turkish made for export. One European characteristic is the separate ram rod. Also, the lock appears to be of better quality than most Eastern European/Balkan/Turkish guns I've seen.

The punch marks are cryptic, and I have not heard of the name stamped under the breech.

The chasing or chisel work also is a strong indication of that region.

Silver wire inlay, ditto.

These appear to be of pretty good quality, and not the late slipshod work too often seen.

I would like to see some close ups of the lock from both sides.

Kubur · 4th November 2015, 05:51 PM

I confirm French pistols for Turkish market.
For me the punch marks are silver proofs.
Would be interesting to have the translation of the Arabic part...
And also a photo of the locks from outside!
If it's a true pair the value is increased...
Kubur

Kubur · 4th November 2015, 06:15 PM

Could be also French pistols for Algerian market, anyway Ottoman
The inscription will say... The frizen is not from the Balkans.
Pure pistols for export, very good quality indeed

Shakethetrees · 4th November 2015, 08:02 PM

The punch marks are absolutely not French silver marks. This is something I have dealt with for a long time.

The marks do not resemble those of any European country I know of.

Kubur · 4th November 2015, 10:00 PM

I agree for the punch marks especialy because one is 80 in Arabic numeral.
But i still think that's a French pistol for export, probably from Marseille.

2nd November 2015, 08:03 PM	#1
Chertbolt Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6	Flintlock Pair, Need help Identifying Hello all, I've been lurking around the forum for a couple days now looking for some information on a pair of flintlock pistols I am researching. I thought I would join and share what I have here. It is my hope that there may be a few of you that might know some information about these. I honestly do not have much information about these so I will mostly let the pictures speak for themselves. I will answer any questions to the best of my ability and please request additional pictures if you would like to see more detail. Also I am aware that the topic of value is not to be discussed on the forum though it is my understanding that I may request that I be privately messaged on that topic? Thank you for looking Attached Images

4th November 2015, 04:09 PM	#2
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	Although they look European at a first glance, I think they're Turkish made for export. One European characteristic is the separate ram rod. Also, the lock appears to be of better quality than most Eastern European/Balkan/Turkish guns I've seen. The punch marks are cryptic, and I have not heard of the name stamped under the breech. The chasing or chisel work also is a strong indication of that region. Silver wire inlay, ditto. These appear to be of pretty good quality, and not the late slipshod work too often seen. I would like to see some close ups of the lock from both sides.

4th November 2015, 05:51 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I confirm French pistols for Turkish market. For me the punch marks are silver proofs. Would be interesting to have the translation of the Arabic part... And also a photo of the locks from outside! If it's a true pair the value is increased... Kubur

4th November 2015, 06:15 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Could be also French pistols for Algerian market, anyway Ottoman The inscription will say... The frizen is not from the Balkans. Pure pistols for export, very good quality indeed

4th November 2015, 08:02 PM	#5
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	The punch marks are absolutely not French silver marks. This is something I have dealt with for a long time. The marks do not resemble those of any European country I know of.

4th November 2015, 10:00 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I agree for the punch marks especialy because one is 80 in Arabic numeral. But i still think that's a French pistol for export, probably from Marseille.