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i presenting the pic of an old bugis alameng
in gold ,diamonds and emerald a very rare blade and very good condition of scabard and hilt any comments are welcom Cheers , ganja iras |
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Wonderful, Is there any way that you could post close-up detailed photos of the hilt, blade, scabbard ?
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This is the nicest example I have ever seen!
![]() I have seen pictures of one in silver, but not gold.........Thank you. What museum is this from? |
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Is it from Sumbawa?
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Hello Ganja Iras,
would like to see some close ups when possible. Here you can see my one in silver: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=alamang Regards, Detlef |
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Hi guys ,
I am sorry that i cant give you more detils pic's now ,but i will do it soon. and it is from sumbawa ,collected by a young ancient weapons collector in lombok Thanks , Ganja iras |
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Lovely, superb example....certainly the cream of the crop of Alamangs from top to bottom.
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dear folks ,
here some more pic's of the Alameng and that the best i can do...sorry.. kind regards , ganja iras |
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It has a rather rough look for goldsmiths work? Have you tested the metal with the correct acids?
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Thanks for the close ups.
It's interesting that it has several quite unique features compared to those found in old pictures and collections. Does your friend know anything more about it? Does it have any provenance? Michael |
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Hi Michael ,
Thanks for your comments and appreciating my simple post. Last time i talk to the owner of the alameng ,he only told me about the gold on the sarung and hilt ( 18 karats ) ,the stone is indian emerald and diamonds. He also told me that he obtain the weapon from Bima ( west nusa tenggara ). Some of his collections are bugis and most of them are kerisses. i saw many lombok keris in his display room ,but none of them are for sale and i am not allowed to take a picture in it. Thanks. |
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The scabbard looks like it is alloyed with silver, not uncommon in that region of the world. Thank you for the close ups!
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I believe testing will reveal that this dress is gilt over silver.
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Alan, that is also a real possibility.
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I also agree by this, I have a Bugis keris in similar fashion where the dress is gilt over silver.
Nice alamang! Regards, Detlef |
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Dear guys ,
Thanks to all of you for the comments . I think i forget something that this scabard has been tested ,and its solid gold in 18 karats. Regards , Ganja iras |
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Then it is probably alloyed with silver, not uncommon as mentioned previously....
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As far as i know ,here in lombok and also bali ,the one who alloyed with silver we call it "SILIASIH " or there is another kind of combination gold & silver we call PIJAHAN / GANDONGAN.
and this one is not one of that kind ,cause its a solid gold in low quality Thanks |
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Plus it can be gold alloyed with silver and still be 18k gold........
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I'm not sure this is a full 18k gold, possibly a gold-plated silver blend material. I have some original toraja sulawesi, and you probably have not made it in Sulawesi because the material and shape of the blade is different. The materials used are also the same as madura kamardhikan kris.
In the handle part is also disproportionate shape, the original sword handle has a philosophy and size, not originally made. |
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So are you saying that this example is a "foreign" made copy?
Interesting. Would you be able to provide pictures of indigenous examples for comparison please? |
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I see this sword is not an old sword, I found there are some sulawesi heirlooms derived from ntb wrapped in gold but a form of engraving that seems not made by goldsmith. It is impossible that the king's sword is made by amateurs. Pamor shape and sword shape that is different from the natural sulawesi. pamor 'tongko siso' shaped large, the front edge of the sword shrank and looks dubious. the original average sword has a simple prestige and the sharp side there is 'rakkapeng' at the base with the sword of King Gowa and Raja Bone
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