Dapur and origin

danny1976 · 9th January 2011, 02:53 PM

Hello,

I did clean 2 blade,s this morning , but i need some help with the dapur and
the origin .

One blade is in my opinion from Palembang and has the dapur Sinom Robyong
and has some age. diffrent opinions are welcome

The other blade....i have no idea about the origin , could it be Palembang too or is it javanese ?
Dapur no idea.
With this blade i also have the feelling that it,s not realy old , i hope i.m wrong..

David · 9th January 2011, 03:16 PM

Something tells me your first example might be an old Madurese blade. I will leave dhapur distictions to others. Why do you believe this one to be Palembang. Did it come to you dressed as such?

Sajen · 9th January 2011, 04:47 PM

Hi Danny,

have the same feeling like David since this pamor is typical for madurese blades and the dapur have also something madurese. For comparison this Madura keris with a very similar pamor.

Regards,

Detlef

danny1976 · 9th January 2011, 04:53 PM

Hi David and Detlef,

yes the blade could be madura if you look at the pamor , but what made me ques palembang is the dapur .
its just a wild ques but when i look to palembang keris in books or on the net i did see this dapur quite often .

the 2 blade,s came without clothe,s , i did clean them to see if the are ''worth'' it to me to find a fitting wranka.

no idea about the second blade ?

David · 9th January 2011, 05:36 PM

Actually Danny, it is as much the dhapur as the pamor that put me in mind of Madura, especially the long and slender look of the sekar kacang. This is a feature i have seen time and again in old Madura keris.
I see nothing that speaks specifically to Palembang here, though it should be kept in mind that both Palembang and Madura keris took there lead from the kratons of Jawa.

danny1976 · 11th January 2011, 09:59 PM

Ok, i,m convinced madura it is

But David you refering to old madura blade,s , do you have a opinion
about the age ?

David · 11th January 2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Ok, i,m convinced madura it is

But David you refering to old madura blade,s , do you have a opinion
about the age ?

Danny, i use the term "old Madura" simply to distinguish it from all the contemporary blades that come out of Madura these days. Your blade looks to have some good age to me, but i would not care to put any more exacting dates to it out of hand. At least 19thc i would venture, though it could well be older.

dewaruci · 13th January 2011, 03:17 AM

I think the seconds keris like a 'dapur' jalak nguwung ( Keris jawa antara Mistik dan nalar by Haryono Haryoguritno, page 172)

9th January 2011, 02:53 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Dapur and origin Hello, I did clean 2 blade,s this morning , but i need some help with the dapur and the origin . One blade is in my opinion from Palembang and has the dapur Sinom Robyong and has some age. diffrent opinions are welcome The other blade....i have no idea about the origin , could it be Palembang too or is it javanese ? Dapur no idea. With this blade i also have the feelling that it,s not realy old , i hope i.m wrong.. Attached Images

9th January 2011, 04:47 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Danny, have the same feeling like David since this pamor is typical for madurese blades and the dapur have also something madurese. For comparison this Madura keris with a very similar pamor. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

9th January 2011, 03:16 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Something tells me your first example might be an old Madurese blade. I will leave dhapur distictions to others. Why do you believe this one to be Palembang. Did it come to you dressed as such?

9th January 2011, 04:53 PM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi David and Detlef, yes the blade could be madura if you look at the pamor , but what made me ques palembang is the dapur . its just a wild ques but when i look to palembang keris in books or on the net i did see this dapur quite often . the 2 blade,s came without clothe,s , i did clean them to see if the are ''worth'' it to me to find a fitting wranka. no idea about the second blade ?

9th January 2011, 05:36 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Actually Danny, it is as much the dhapur as the pamor that put me in mind of Madura, especially the long and slender look of the sekar kacang. This is a feature i have seen time and again in old Madura keris. I see nothing that speaks specifically to Palembang here, though it should be kept in mind that both Palembang and Madura keris took there lead from the kratons of Jawa.

11th January 2011, 09:59 PM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Ok, i,m convinced madura it is But David you refering to old madura blade,s , do you have a opinion about the age ?

13th January 2011, 03:17 AM	#8
dewaruci Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Java Posts: 13	I think the seconds keris like a 'dapur' jalak nguwung ( Keris jawa antara Mistik dan nalar by Haryono Haryoguritno, page 172)